My pleasure to announce the death of another left-wing-nut narrative

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

The semi-automatic Assault Rifle, aka a black thing-a-ma-jiggy, in left-wing-nut parlance.

It seems the loon, TBD if a Troon, used a Mauser 30-06, bolt action rifle. That is a single shot, 3-5 round magazine that dates back to 1906 and has been produced world-wide ever since. Think Band of Brothers or Saving Private Ryan even. Totally, a true classic weapon of war for many, many decades. And they are cheap-cheap (think $300-$400 range), except for "collectible" versions.

Notwithstanding, a cold bore shot from 200 yards is a remarkable achievement, typically requiring a whole lot of practice. One other item of note: it's highly likely that the scope on that rifle cost more than the rifle, but we do not know that item just yet.

Anyway, sorry for your narrative loss. May it rest in pieces.

[royamcr]

The Mauser rifle is an excellent sniper rifle for that range. Powerful, fast and accurate. Anyone employed or inclined to do this had to have a background in precision shooting already. The sniper probably missed his aim point by a few inches low. If he had to take another shot it would have been adjusted for. But I'm sure this was a one shot deal and get the fuck outta there.

[victoryformation]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

The semi-automatic Assault Rifle, aka a black thing-a-ma-jiggy, in left-wing-nut parlance.

It seems the loon, TBD if a Troon, used a Mauser 30-06, bolt action rifle. That is a single shot, 3-5 round magazine that dates back to 1906 and has been produced world-wide ever since. Think Band of Brothers or Saving Private Ryan even. Totally, a true classic weapon of war for many, many decades. And they are cheap-cheap (think $300-$400 range), except for "collectible" versions.

Notwithstanding, a cold bore shot from 200 yards is a remarkable achievement, typically requiring a whole lot of practice. One other item of note: it's highly likely that the scope on that rifle cost more than the rifle, but we do not know that item just yet.

Anyway, sorry for your narrative loss. May it rest in pieces.

An interesting post!
Are you maintaining that the assassin possessed sniper skills?
The media coverage suggests he was a UVU student or someone affiliated with the university.
They're sayin' he was familiar with the layout of the campus!
(He's gotta be a fruitcake nutjob with an agenda!)

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by royamcr

The Mauser rifle is an excellent sniper rifle for that range. Powerful, fast and accurate. Anyone employed or inclined to do this had to have a background in precision shooting already. The sniper probably missed his aim point by a few inches low. If he had to take another shot it would have been adjusted for. But I'm sure this was a one shot deal and get the fuck outta there.

Solid weapon of choice, tried and true for 100+ years, but I would guess the shooter shot high-left from center mass.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by victoryformation

An interesting post!
Are you maintaining that the assassin possessed sniper skills?...

Your basic, average, young, whipper-snapper, yokel ain't gonna grab an unfamiliar rifle and hit a target at 200+ yards, with a cold rifle, in a single shot unless they had some comfort and practice - IMMHO.

Originally Posted by victoryformation

...The media coverage suggests he was a UVU student or someone affiliated with the university.
They're sayin' he was familiar with the layout of the campus!
(He's gotta be a fruitcake nutjob with an agenda!)

Campus don't mean diddly or do-da. It's a field of view <insert Jack Reacher reference here>. Certainly a large dose of both, fruitcake and nutjob, spread on top of knowledge and practice, with a 30-06 no less. Again, IMMHO.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

a cold bore shot from 200 yards is a remarkable achievement, typically requiring a whole lot of practice. One other item of note: it's highly likely that the scope on that rifle cost more than the rifle, but we do not know that item just yet.

Anyway, sorry for your narrative loss. May it rest in pieces.

It’s definitely not a remarkable achievement, at all. It’s an easy shot a 12 year old with 15 minutes to sight in a $40 Walmart optic could make.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

It’s definitely not a remarkable achievement, at all. It’s an easy shot a 12 year old with 15 minutes to sight in a $40 Walmart optic could make.

R-i-i-ght.
One shot from 200+ yards with 15 mins on a $40 scope.
Yeah sure, you betcha.
A 12 yr old's shoulder would be torn to shreds on the kick from that mule.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by royamcr

The Mauser rifle is an excellent sniper rifle for that range. Powerful, fast and accurate. Anyone employed or inclined to do this had to have a background in precision shooting already. The sniper probably missed his aim point by a few inches low. If he had to take another shot it would have been adjusted for. But I'm sure this was a one shot deal and get the fuck outta there.

The shot was high right, by a lot. The premise that this guy was a trained assassin is ridiculous.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

R-i-i-ght.
One shot from 200+ yards with 15 mins on a $40 scope.
Yeah sure, you betcha.
A 12 yr old's shoulder would be torn to shreds on the kick from that mule.

Clearly you don’t do much shooting. By 14 my youngest could consistently ding an 18” steel plate at 400 yards with a Ruger 10/22 and whatever pos scope he could afford with birthday money. 200 yards with a 30-06 is nothing.

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Solid weapon of choice, tried and true for 100+ years, but I would guess the shooter shot high-left from center mass.

You think he was going for a body shot and missed and got lucky and hit the neck? Maybe. I was thinking head shot and it dropped a little and hit the neck. Been a long time since I shot some but I tended to hit low on first shot.

[Salty Again]

... Kinda side with Why-Yes and Royamcr on this.
I also believe it was a trained shooter.
... But, like-with most things - let's see how it all plays out.

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[royamcr]

Ya center mass is bigger target, but in a one shot scenario a head shot is almost a guaranteed kill. Body shot is a bigger overall target to disable or wound, but smaller than a head for a near guaranteed kill. Shooter also wouldn't know if he was wearing a vest.

He may have practiced, and probably stepped off the distance before hand to sight in the best he could. Then practiced shooting at that range. Wouldn't take more than a day to get good. Training would help with the actual trigger pull at a live target. Gotta have nerves of steel at that point. Heart rate pounding, hand shaking, all that going on and easy to miss.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by royamcr

You think he was going for a body shot and missed and got lucky and hit the neck? Maybe. I was thinking head shot and it dropped a little and hit the neck. Been a long time since I shot some but I tended to hit low on first shot.

Absolutely. 200 yds to the chest with a 30/06 his organs would explode and it’s the easiest shot. If he had any type of training, even hunting, he’d have gone center mass.

[royamcr]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Absolutely. 200 yds to the chest with a 30/06 his organs would explode and it’s the easiest shot.

Depends on the round used, a shot like that can go right through the body, and you aren't hitting multiple organs. It would hurt and do damage but not instant death unless you hit the heart or artery. And like mentioned no way of shooter to know if he was protected by a vest.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by royamcr

Depends on the round used, a shot like that can go right through the body, and you aren't hitting multiple organs. It would hurt and do damage but not instant death unless you hit the heart or artery. And like mentioned no way of shooter to know if he was protected by a vest.

... Agreed about the vest there, and it didn't seem
like the aim was centre-mass... Which is why I also
believe this was a head shot that just missed.

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