Violence and The Left

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by chefnerd

So you are sayig that ALL the Capitol Police casualties were Diaper Don supporters.
Have you ALWAYS been this gullible?

Have you always been unable to read? My statement is 100% accurate.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Sure, it was a total love in. No violence occurred there.

Was the statement incorrect, or are you as misinformed as chefnerd?

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

Tiny, for some one who admitted that you never heard of Charlie Kirk until he was assassinated and to repost chefnerds hateful crap about him is pretty lame. You always want it both ways.

Actually DaliLama I didn't even know he posted hateful crap. His grammar and spelling in that post suck so I didn't take the time to try to understand it. I just saw that he beat me to posting the Cato article.

[VitaMan]

Does Bondi and the DOJ removal of the government report on violence fit in here ?

[1blackman1]

You mean the ones that show 60-70% of political violence is from the right? That report the DoJ has scrubbed from their website?

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

The only dead people on January 6 were Trump supporters.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Sure, it was a total love in. No violence occurred there.

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Was the statement incorrect, or are you as misinformed as chefnerd?

Nope, but my original comment and the article it referenced was about political violence in general. And how that violence is prevalent on both the left and the right.

Your post was all about changing the subject away from violence in general and instead focusing on a particular detail about the January 6 riots which is not the point of this thread.

I’m not interested in arguing the details of January 6 again, we’ve been through that before, but rather that violence is not a problem for just one side but rather is a symptom of the political system in general.

Thinking and claiming that violence is one sided is complete bullshit and needs to be called out for the lie that it is.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

I posted the following on a different thread, but it is even more relevant here.

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As this thread's title says, Charlie Kirk was shot for his ideas.

As Rush Limbaugh did before him, Charlie Kirk showed that Democrats, and progressive liberals in general, cannot compete in the arena of ideas. Kirk refuted their agendas in every topic and exposed their mendacious intellectual dishonesty and moral bankruptcy publicly every time he sat under that awning. . . .and they killed him rather than talk with him.

So much for the often expressed desire to " . . .have a conversation about . . ." whatever.

You misuse the term arena. I'd liken it more to a thunderdome for one-sided beliefs since the mantra "Prove *ME* wrong" is not an open debate. It is to measure up to someones preconcieved idea of things.

Firing Line would be more to the point of arena. Everyone was invited and openly posted ideas/thoughts.

Originally Posted by royamcr

Trump is demanding a crackdown on the ‘radical left’. But a new study shows more political violence comes from right-wing extremism.

https://www.the-independent.com/news...-b2828170.html

Roy, the rightie rights are steadfastly being blind to that fact. Guess that is another page from their playbook. Like repeating a lie enough times its true. Ignore a fact/truth enough and it's false.

Originally Posted by royamcr

Liberals just don't entertain hate, racism, and bigotry in any way. Liberals also don't have a cult that goes around and rallies constantly. The cult has to constantly try to sell their extremist ideas to stay somewhat relevant.

They don't do thunderdome. Makes maggies mad that only one person enters. I wonder how many maggies do go on Firing Line?

Originally Posted by RX792P

Seems the DOJ has 'disappeared' their own 2024 study (but it remains on the 'wayback machine'
https://archive.ph/cBfwR

or
https://web.archive.org/web/20250911...stic-terrorism

The report, “What NIJ Research Tells Us About Domestic Terrorism,” was a project of the National Institute of Justice, an agency under DOJ, and based on internet archives, was still available on the DOJ website on September 12 but was gone by September 13.

Just a page from the maggie playbook on covering up anything that puts them in a bad light.

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Yes. And disagreement gets you a bullet through the carotid.
They riot, murder, and burn cities down instead.

Not a bullet in the ear? And do such like January 6?
Still wonder why donny pardonned all those Antifa people?...He did, didn't he? That would put him in a catch-22: If they were antifa like he says, why he pardon terrorist? If not, than it is violent maggies.
No win for donny & co.

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

The only dead people on January 6 were Trump supporters.

Factually correct. ....but....

Originally Posted by chefnerd

It's been quite awhile since I posted here but maybe we should get some things straight. The murder of Charlid Kirk was WRONG WRONG WRONG. There is nw legitimate reason for political violence unless you believe in an Authortian regime I grew up with that crap in the sixties with JFK, MLK, and RFK. Just out flat fucking wrong. Now am I sorry this racist, homophobic, hate-filled person is gone? No. I do grieve for his wife and children however. This should NOT have happened and in a proper undevided society it would not have. The MAGA/right wing folks have tried to paint the liberla left as bienin the perpetrators of violience. Welcome to a report from the CATO Institute (NOT you standard liberal organization) regarding where the domestic terrorism comes from. Now the havem lists that include and then exclude 9/11.
https://www.cato.org/blog/politicall...-united-states

Chef, I know CATO Institute is a HIGHLY factually correct source. Forgot how they lean. Thanks for showing it is another Conservative source. But maggies have incessantly been ignoring anything that puts them in a bad light about the Charlie shooting. They act just like Charlie: "Change my Mind". They don't care about the facts so that won't budge their twisted thinking.

Originally Posted by chefnerd

So you are sayig that ALL the Capitol Police casualties were Diaper Don supporters.
Have you ALWAYS been this gullible?

They are probably saying that Capitol Police lives don't matter when it doesn't support donnys narrative.

So much for the party of law and order. They are blind to it. But they openly invite dicatorial mandates.

Originally Posted by Tiny

I presented this to Democrats here on a silver platter in HoHounds thread and no one took it and ran with it,

https://www.cato.org/blog/politicall...-united-states

It's from the Cato Institute, which is nonpartisan but right leaning. Unlike the Biden Department of Justice which did the 2024 study, nobody can argue it has a pro-Democrat bias.

It would indicate that the right is responsible for several times more political deaths than the left. The larger data set, since 1975, makes Islamic terrorists and the right look worse because of 9/11 and Timothy McVeigh's Oklahoma City bombing. Still, strip those out and still the right is the bigger culprit, by several times.

HOWEVER, how many deaths are we looking at? Taking away 9/11, only 12 a year since 1975. Since 2020, only 14 deaths per year. This is nothing. Like I said in HoHound's thread, your chances of dying from a lightning strike are greater than dying from political violence.

On the other hand, there are around 20,000 homicides in the USA every year, virtually all unrelated to political violence. How many of those are committed by Republicans versus Democrats?

I don't believe there's a direct way to answer the question. However, a series of papers by Marc Meredith and Michael Morse about 10 years ago show that several times more ex-felons registered to vote as Democrats than Republicans. Can this be extrapolated to murderers? Maybe so and maybe not. But if so, then Democrats commit a lot more murders than Republicans.

So there! Some here say the Democrats are the murderers and some say the Republicans are. You're both right!

Tiny, you see that the maggies are actively trying to change the narrative that all that has happened of late in not their fault. But that only works in their minds. What is there is not in the real world.

This is reality. And the reality is maggies are supporting a person bent on dictatorship by busting the boundaries between goverment branches and is throwing in a good does of anti-secular actions.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... There were NO Capitol police DEAD on 6th January.

... None.

... But there were two dead Trump supporters.

... You must have missed that fact.

#### Salty

So, that means their lives don't matter? Even when they were trying to enforce the laws 1/6 and killed a person breaking them? If you can't shoot someone in The House, why doesn't Congress take away the right to defend your home then? It was The Peoples House that the Capital Police were defending.

Originally Posted by RX792P

Since it's 'already been shown', please provide evidence of the 'garbage and lies' in the 'disappeared' DOJ study.

Should be very easy....

That brought a tear to my eye. A maggie being called out to support what they said with facts/evidence.

I ain't gonna wait

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

Tiny, for some one who admitted that you never heard of Charlie Kirk until he was assassinated and to repost chefnerds hateful crap about him is pretty lame. Chefnerd wants it it both ways and so do you..

Seeing that you are an admitted liar here, That must mean chefnerds words are the god given truth and his as strong as the lords bond with Moses.

Thanks for your reverse logic in upholding what libbys are saying in the maggies eyes.

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

You mean the ones that show 60-70% of political violence is from the right? That report the DoJ has scrubbed from their website?

They are in hyper-overdrive trying to change the narrative.

[Lantern2814]

Originally Posted by RX792P

Since it's 'already been shown', please provide evidence of the 'garbage and lies' in the 'disappeared' DOJ study.

Should be very easy....

Don't watch actual news reports? Don't read papers? Didn't pay your bills so you have no television? You and precious can cry all you want, the report has been dissected and destroyed. Just like the rest of the lefts narrative about violence. It's YOUR side that commits the vast majority of violence. Obvious to anybody with eyes and working brain cells.

[VitaMan]

Another simpleton attack on the left.


Your statement "YOUR side that commits the vast majority of violence. Obvious to anybody with eyes and working brain cells" is useless.


Reports show the right commits plenty of violence. Reports make it obvious.

[Lantern2814]

Those "reports" have been dissected and shown to be full of crap. YOUR constant bleating of debunked garbage is useless. People have woken up and seen just what kind of people leftists are. Violent, intolerant, and wanting anybody disagreeing with them dead.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Those "reports" have been dissected and shown to be full of crap. YOUR constant bleating of debunked garbage is useless. People have woken up and seen just what kind of people leftists are. Violent, intolerant, and wanting anybody disagreeing with them dead.

What country are you living in because it certainly isn’t the United States of America?

Your description of “leftists” as “Violent, intolerant, and wanting anybody disagreeing with them dead“ doesn’t describe anybody that I know.

Try not to let your fears keep you from debating and working with those who disagree with you.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Don't watch actual news reports? Don't read papers? Didn't pay your bills so you have no television? You and precious can cry all you want, the report has been dissected and destroyed. Just like the rest of the lefts narrative about violence. It's YOUR side that commits the vast majority of violence. Obvious to anybody with eyes and working brain cells.

so if it's in the papers and television, why does it seem so hard for you to produce some evidence?

BTW, I'm not Republican, I'm not Democrat.
But I AM a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Those "reports" have been dissected and shown to be full of crap. YOUR constant bleating of debunked garbage is useless. People have woken up and seen just what kind of people leftists are. Violent, intolerant, and wanting anybody disagreeing with them dead.

So show us the 'dissection'...

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Those "reports" have been dissected and shown to be full of crap. YOUR constant bleating of debunked garbage is useless. People have woken up and seen just what kind of people leftists are. Violent, intolerant, and wanting anybody disagreeing with them dead.

They prattle on to try’n convince themselves that obvious things are nuanced, and you’re the rube who just can’t keep up with their superior intellect. It’s not contained to just the denial of their own violent tendencies but many, many things.

Come on man! Are you not even aware of how stupid you are for thinking millions of indigents pouring over the border is bad, or that men can’t have babies, or that hiring based solely on merit is advantageous to society? You, and anyone who thinks like you, should bow down and show deference to your betters, you fucking Nazi.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Why no, aka - zero, zilch, zip, nadda, specifics in the below gobbledygook?

Originally Posted by Precious_b

...But I wanted to see what a quick googly peek would say.

Right-wing violence: Studies indicate that right-wing extremists have been responsible for a larger number of violent incidents and fatalities in the United States since 1990. This includes attacks by white supremacists, anti-government militias, and other groups according to the National Institute of Justice (.gov). There's also evidence suggesting a recent surge in right-wing political extremism globally. Research suggests that individuals with right-wing authoritarian characteristics may be more inclined towards violence against those who violate social norms.
Left-wing violence: While less frequent and generally less lethal than right-wing violence, attacks by left-wing extremist groups have also occurred, with a noted increase in 2021. These incidents often involve anarchists, anti-fascists, and violent environmentalists, with targets frequently including government and police buildings, and businesses, according to CSIS analysis.
Populist Ideologies and Violence: Research suggests that populist ideologies, regardless of whether they are left or right-wing, may be associated with a higher likelihood of justifying political violence compared to mainstream ideologies.
Lone Wolf Threat: The FBI and Department of Homeland Security indicate that the greatest threat of domestic terrorism comes from lone offenders, often radicalized online, targeting easily accessible locations, according to Lawfare. ...

Do you get that from the Inuendo-AI bot?!?

If I may ask a follow up question regarding: "Left-wing violence:...The FBI and Department of Homeland Security indicate that the greatest threat of domestic terrorism comes from lone offenders, often radicalized online, targeting easily accessible locations, according to Lawfare."

If you could show on the doll where the right wing specifically hurted you, that would be g-r-e-a-t...

Other than that, your quote above specifically indicate left-tard wing extremists. Go figure?!?