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Old 09-23-2025, 11:12 AM   #16
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Defending big pharma is wild, absolutely wild. With all the data proving harm by both the COVID vacine and large swaths of drugs, your position is now to defend the helpless big pharma?
What would life expectancy be without pharmaceuticals? Sixty? The COVID vaccines may have killed thousands. They also saved millions. Trump realizes that btw.

My problem with big pharma is the prices of drugs, many of which are ridiculously high. Shortening patent protection from the current 14 to 20 years would be a good start towards bringing them down.

And yeah, I don't want to see big pharma go the way of Dow Corning, private plane manufacturers in the 1980's/1990's, or any company with exposure to asbestos no matter how remote.

And on topic, maybe these help explain why I believe there's not sufficient evidence to scare pregnant women off Tylenol.

https://journals.lww.com/greenjourna...deficit.8.aspx

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Old 09-23-2025, 11:16 AM   #17
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Brand-name Tylenol (acetaminophen) is not available in Cuba due to the U.S. trade embargo.

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"Cuba had an autism rate of 83.30 per 10,000 children in 2023, according to data from the Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring Network. The US rate was 80.90, the same data shows."
We're on the same page on this issue more or less. Still I feel compelled to point out this, like your belief that Tylenol won't be available OTC, probably isn't right.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...tes-by-country

I would bet that the correlation between the number of autism/ADHD diagnoses and the number of psychologists and developmental pediatricians in a country is a lot stronger than the correlation with consumption of Tylenol.
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Once again. There was autism prior to the existence of acetaminophen. So claiming it causes or significantly contributes is not at all supported by any studies. This DHH is not data driven.
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I’m kind of wondering what role microplastics play in brain development and brain function.

Recent studies have found that microplastics can accumulate in the human brain, with concentrations significantly higher than in other organs like the liver and kidneys. The amount of microplastics in brain tissue has been increasing over time, raising concerns about potential health impacts, especially in individuals with dementia.

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Old 09-23-2025, 11:32 AM   #20
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Once again. There was autism prior to the existence of acetaminophen. So claiming it causes or significantly contributes is not at all supported by any studies. This DHH is not data driven.
There actually are studies out there that would indicate a link. But "they have important biases, notably a high degree of selection bias, variability in selection and adjustment for various potential confounders, and unmeasured familial confounding."

It's kind of like the COVID vaccine. You scare 80 year olds from getting it, and more are going to die than if they took the vaccine. Same with women and medium to high fever (over 101 degrees). If you don't control the fever, the risk of various birth defects is increased. And aspirin, ibuprofen and Aleve have their own problems, which are much better documented than Tylenol.
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We're on the same page on this issue more or less. Still I feel compelled to point out this, like your belief that Tylenol won't be available OTC, probably isn't right.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...tes-by-country

I would bet that the correlation between the number of autism/ADHD diagnoses and the number of psychologists and developmental pediatricians in a country is a lot stronger than the correlation with consumption of Tylenol.
Just to clarify, I made no statement regarding Tylenol being pulled from OTC in the US.

I pointed out Trump's fake Cuba 'rumor'...
Brand-name Tylenol (acetaminophen) is not available in Cuba due to the U.S. trade embargo.

That said....txdotguy may have a point on microplastics...
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Just to clarify, I made no statement regarding Tylenol being pulled from OTC in the US.

I pointed out Trump's fake Cuba 'rumor'...
Brand-name Tylenol (acetaminophen) is not available in Cuba due to the U.S. trade embargo.

That said....txdotguy may have a point on microplastics...
I'm still not following you. Did Trump say something about Tylenol and Cuba?

I must have misunderstood this. Why would Tylenol sell for $98/bottle if it's OTC?

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Trump and RFKjr had to do something to keep the Federal Government and pharmaceutical companies from going broke.

It's estimated that over 25 billion doses of acetaminophen are sold in the U.S. each year.

At around $7 for a bottle of 100, Trump's 1500% drug price reductions will result in payment of about $98/bottle to Tylenol buyers, resulting in a total outlay of some $24.5 Billion dollars to Tylenol buyers...
I think RFK Jr wants the pharmaceutical companies to go broke if that will put more $ in the pockets of him and his plaintiffs' lawyer pals.
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Old 09-23-2025, 11:44 AM   #23
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...That said....txdotguy may have a point on microplastics...
Mazda Race Car, I agree, as I happened to see a note recently written by (someone whose name I can't remember) suggesting that rising consumption of microplastics may be increasing the risk of all sorts of autoimmune pathology and other adverse health conditions (including autism).

Here's Perplexity (AI) on the topic:

Microplastics pose significant health risks such as inflammation, oxidative stress, organ dysfunction, and neurotoxic effects in humans, but direct evidence connecting microplastics exposure to autism risk is limited, though some recent animal and epidemiological studies suggest a possible link.[1][2][3][4]

### Known Health Risks of Microplastics
- Microplastics have been detected in various organs and tissues in humans, including the brain, and are associated with inflammation, oxidative damage, cell death, immune impairment, hormone metabolism disruption, and DNA damage.[5][2][3][4][1]
- Researchers have documented their role in contributing to cancer risk, heart attacks, poor reproductive health, metabolic disruption, and neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s.[6][7][8][1]
- Microplastics can cross biological barriers, such as the blood-brain barrier, leading to neuroinflammation, altered neurotransmitter activity, and other brain changes that can potentially contribute to neurological disease.[7][3][4][6]

### Microplastics and Autism Risk
- Experimental research in animal models shows that prenatal and early life exposure to microplastics—especially polyethylene particles—can produce autism-like behaviors in mice and induce neurodevelopmental changes.[9][10]
- Epidemiological reviews have reported that microplastics may be a potential risk factor for autism spectrum disorder (ASD), largely citing findings that microplastics can induce neuronal damage, inhibit acetylcholinesterase, and cause neuroinflammation—mechanisms related to ASD-like traits.[11][3]
- Specific chemical components in plastics, such as Bisphenol A (BPA), have been linked in human studies to higher rates of autism diagnosis, especially in males whose mothers had elevated prenatal exposure to the chemical.[12][13]

### Limitations and Current Scientific Consensus
- Although a handful of studies (mostly animal models and indirect epidemiology) suggest possible mechanisms by which microplastics may influence neurodevelopmental disorders, there is not yet definitive, causal evidence that environmental microplastics directly cause or increase the risk of autism in humans.[3][13][11]
- Most experts agree further research is imperative to establish a clearer understanding of the connection, as the current state of evidence points to biological plausibility but not confirmed causation.[11][12]

### Summary Table: Microplastic Health Risks vs Autism Link

| Health Risk | Supported in Humans | Supported in Animals | Link to Autism |
|--------------------|---------------------|----------------------|------------------------|
| Inflammation | Yes [1][5] | Yes [2] | Possible [11][3]|
| Neurotoxicity | Yes [3][4]| Yes [9][6] | Possible [11][10]|
| Cancer risk | Yes [1][14] | Yes [2] | None direct |
| Reproductive harm | Yes [1][14] | Yes [2] | Indirect via BPA [12][13]|

Microplastics are increasingly recognized as an environmental neurotoxin, potentially contributing to neurodevelopmental disorders, but there is currently only preliminary evidence linking their exposure, or that of plastic additives like BPA, to increased autism risk.[10][13][9][12][11]

[1](https://med.stanford.edu/news/insigh...fragments.html)
[2](https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/envhealth.3c00052)
[3](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39653181/)
[4](https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...04389424006332)
[5](https://magazine.hms.harvard.edu/art...ics-everywhere)
[6](https://ryaninstitute.uri.edu/microplastics/)
[7](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12100631/)
[8](https://www.weforum.org/stories/2025...he-food-chain/)
[9](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35134716/)
[10](https://www.discoveryaba.com/aba-the...e-autism-8efc4)
[11](https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/abs/10...ee.2023.FP-054)
[12](https://www.newsweek.com/microplasti...opment-1936635)
[13](https://today.rowan.edu/news/2023/09...tism-adhd.html)
[14](https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2024/02/42...astics-dangers)
[15](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10151227/)
[16](https://www.aamc.org/news/microplast...ean-our-health)
[17](https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...13935124004390)
[18](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00650-3)
[19](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03453-1)
[20](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microp...d_human_health)
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I'm still not following you. Did Trump say something about Tylenol and Cuba?
Yes he did.
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“I mean, there’s a rumour, and I don’t know if it’s so or not, that Cuba, they don’t have Tylenol because they don’t have the money for Tylenol. And they have virtually no autism, OK. Tell me about that one.”
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I must have misunderstood this. Why would Tylenol sell for $98/bottle if it's OTC?
Sarcasm escapes you. Apparently math too (don't feel bad it escapes Trump also)

A bottle of 100 Tylenols costs about $7.
Trump says he's going to reduce drug prices by 1500%


Understand percentages: A percentage is a part of 100, so 1500% is 1500/100, which equals 15.
Calculate the discount amount: Multiply the original price by the percentage.
Example: If an item originally costs $7, a 1500% discount is 1500% of $7.
Calculation: $7 * (1500/7) = $7 * 15 = $105.
Determine the final price: Subtract the discount amount from the original price.
Calculation: $7 (original price) - $105 (discount) = -$98. (negative $98)

So, with Trump's 1500% reduction, instead of costing the buyer $7, the buyer will receive $98.
So somebody gets to pay folks for 'buying' Tylenol.
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[QUOTE=Texas Contrarian;1063894322]Mazda Race Car, I agree, as I happened to see a note recently written by (someone whose name I can't remember) suggesting that rising consumption of microplastics may be increasing the risk of all sorts of autoimmune pathology and other adverse health conditions (including autism).

Then there's also PFAs.
Wonder why RKFjr doesn't seem to be pursuing microplastics and PFAS with such vigor...
In fact, the Trump administration (Hegseth's DoW) is postponing cleanup of PFAS.
https://www.newsmax.com/us/forever-c...23/id/1227533/
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Yes he did.



Sarcasm escapes you. Apparently math too (don't feel bad it escapes Trump also)

A bottle of 100 Tylenols costs about $7.
Trump says he's going to reduce drug prices by 1500%


Understand percentages: A percentage is a part of 100, so 1500% is 1500/100, which equals 15.
Calculate the discount amount: Multiply the original price by the percentage.
Example: If an item originally costs $7, a 1500% discount is 1500% of $7.
Calculation: $7 * (1500/7) = $7 * 15 = $105.
Determine the final price: Subtract the discount amount from the original price.
Calculation: $7 (original price) - $105 (discount) = -$98. (negative $98)

So, with Trump's 1500% reduction, instead of costing the buyer $7, the buyer will receive $98.
So somebody gets to pay folks for 'buying' Tylenol.
Thanks for the clarification. I had no idea what you were talking about - practically how do you reduce a price by over 100%? I do seem to remember Trump saying something like that though, and your calculation makes sense.

It's really surprising that you're not MAGA! You remember the great man's words better than anyone here.
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He's said it multiple times...he has no idea what he's talking about either.
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Kind of thought someone would maybe comment on this by now, but I guess not.


https://www.newsmax.com/us/tylenol-a...22/id/1227414/


Definitely need to study it more, but it appears it could be a contributing factor.
Tylenol will fuck the Liver up long before it will cause Autism.
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[Wonder why RKFjr doesn't seem to be pursuing microplastics and PFAS with such vigor...
Beats the hell out of me. (But then he never struck me as much of a critical thinker or objective truth-seeker.)

Maybe he just thinks big pharma is far more hated by the public than the main producers of microplastics and PFAs, and a much juicier target-rich environment for the plaintiffs' bar!
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Karoline Leavitt drinks the koolaid

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There is mounting evidence finding a connection between acetaminophen use during pregnancy and autism, and that’s why the administration is courageously issuing this new health guidance.
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Additionally, the Trump administration is approving a new treatment option that has been found to improve some autism symptoms.

“President Trump pledged to address America’s skyrocketing rates of autism, and his team is deploying Gold Standard Science to deliver on this pledge. We will not be deterred in these efforts as we know millions across America are grateful.”
leucovorin...Has RFKjr enlightened us to the potential long term side effects?
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