OK Blackman, I’m going to do you a favor and save you from the wrath of ICU. Here’s your own thread to opine on erections.
Despite the spelling mistakes and missing January 6 by a year, you provided an excellent thread starter:
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Originally Posted by 1blackman1
Pretty rich coming from the dude that starts repetitive threads every couple of weeks stating pretty much the same exact thing over and over. That’s what I call exhaustive.
Nonetheless, here we’re comparing to events which are not far apart in time to determine what a real and actual insurrection is. That’s absolutely on topic. Now just because you don’t want to engage in an actual debate and just want to post some same silliness over and over, that’s on you.
Here ya go in simple terms.
President ginning up a crowd to march to the capitol to stop congress from acting to essentially end his term and make someone else president - definitely as close to insurrection as one can get.
Rioters attacking the capitol to try and stop congress from transferring the presidency from one person to another that was elected - absolutely an insurrection
Rioters attacking police and breaking into the capitol - a crime, not in and of itself an insurrection. Here’s the difference. Let’s assume it’s simply Saturday and they want to go in and kill AOC because they don’t like her. Not and insurrection. Same act, different purpose. Still a crime.
Rioters attacking ICE because they think they are the modern Gestapo - a crime. Not and insurrection.
Governor denying the national guard to aid ICE - not an insurrection.
Governor calling off his troopers and the mayor calling off the city police or sheriffs to aid ICE - not an insurrection
The only remaining question is whether the president can call in the guard specifically to aid ICE if ICE cannot carry out their duty to apply federal law. I’d say it depends on the necessity of having additional aid. That’s what’s at question.
Nevertheless, there’s no insurrection. There was one in Jan 2020 but not now.
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Did Trump actually believe he won the 2020 election? That he got millions more votes than Biden? If the answer is yes, does that let him off the hook? If someone’s nutty, you send him to the nuthouse, not to prison, right? And if you're going to say Trump's nutty, then are Stacy Abrams and Hillary Clinton nutty too? They think they won in 2016 and 2018.
Or what if he realized he didn’t get the votes, but truly believed there was a Constitutional basis for him to claim the presidency anyway through appointments of alternate electors and votes of state legislatures? Wasn’t that what brilliant legal minds like Rudy Giuilani and John Eastman told him? Well, wouldn’t that let him off the hook?
Or what about the argument that the ends justify the means? Did he believe the USA would go down the tubes after Biden took over? When Augusto Pinochet overthrew Salvador Allende, killed a few thousand of his political opponents and brought economic sanity to Chile, was he doing his country a favor? Well, Trump didn’t have any intention of killing anyone. So maybe he attempted an insurrection, but his intentions were noble?
And how about the crowd that entered the Capitol. Were they misled? I believe the majority thought the election was stolen from Trump. Does that get them off the hook, the nonviolent ones? That is, their belief they were saving American democracy?
Are there good insurrections and bad insurrections? And who decides whether they’re good or bad? We’d mostly agree the uprising of the American colonies against England was good. The Brits didn’t.
Is there the possibility that the current conflagration involving Trump, governors, mayors, protestors and ICE could lead to an insurrection? A Civil War?
The Democratic Party is of the lawyers, by the lawyers and for the lawyers. It knows how to manipulate the system better than Republicans. Are the Democrats pursuing insurrection behind the scenes, while the Republicans under Trump do it in peoples’ faces?
My personal opinion is that all this is way overblown. Democratic institutions in the USA are strong. They’ll withstand anything Trump, Antifa or the political parties throw at them. And politically, Americans aren’t a violent people. Compare to India, a vibrant democracy, where hundreds have died from political violence in some election years.
