True Rate Of US Unemployment In August 2025 Is 24.7%...While The Phony Govt Rate Is 4.3%

[CPT Savajo]

Wake up Democrats and Republicans! Don't let your "leaders" lie to you.

"The True Rate of Unemployment (TRU), as defined by LISEP, measures the percentage of the U.S. labor force that is functionally unemployed."

"Using data compiled by the federal government’s Bureau of Labor Statistics, the True Rate of Unemployment tracks the percentage of the U.S. labor force that does not have a full-time job (35+ hours a week) but wants one, has no job, or does not earn a living wage, conservatively pegged at $25,000 annually before taxes.
Just as an accurate census is a prerequisite to funding American communities equitably, policymakers depend on economic indicators to shape economic policy. LISEP developed the True Rate of Unemployment to provide analysts and decision-makers with a more accurate measure of Americans’ financial well-being."

https://www.lisep.org/tru

Their figures seem to be in line with John Williams Shadow Stats.

https://www.shadowstats.com/alternat...loyment-charts

[ICU 812]

How many long haul truck drivers are foreign citizens without valid work documents?

How many US citizens could be filling those jobs?

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

I'm sure the officially published number is suspect for a variety of reasons, but doubt it is as high (~25%) as they claim.

Then there was that whole adding of either 80,000 or was it 800,000 jobs after the covid, when the President AutoPen regime "allowed" people to go back to work. I think those job gains went Poof!

As you may recall, Trump fired the Bureau of Labor Statistics chief for cooking the books recently. This was mainly for them claiming ~1Million jobs were added just ahead of the 2024 election and then Poof!, gone just after it.

Then there were a lot of terminations from the DOGE episode, in recent history, and now more coming during the Schmucker shutdown. A whole bunch more.

There is the whole: How do you account for jobs related to illegal aliens occupying? Is it a job loss if they are deported back to their home country?

What about job exchanges? To wit: If you deport an illegal alien and a recently terminated employee takes that job, how does it count? According to Rep. Becca Balint (D) Vermont, there is still a need for the job: “if we don’t have avenues for people to come here legally to work or to build a home here… we’re not gonna have anyone around to wipe our a**es because we don’t have enough people”


Here's a more sticky issue, just out:

Federal employees lied to 'work' multiple jobs
EPA lawyer told managers he missed work because he was with the CIA
By Jeremy Portnoy, Real Clear Wire October 12, 2025

Topline: Working for the government is supposed to be a full-time job, but several employees have been caught working for several federal agencies simultaneously — or at least claiming to be.

In a Sep. 23 letter to the new Office of Personnel Management Director Scott Kupor, Sen. Joni Ernst identified $1.2 million in salary paid to employees with duplicative jobs.

Key facts: From 2021 to 2024, then-Department of Housing and Urban Development employee Crissy Monique Baker also worked remotely as a contractor for AmeriCorps and the National Institutes of Health. She was paid almost $226,000 for hours she never worked, including 13 days in June when she claimed to be working 26 hours per day. Baker pleaded guilty to fraud this June.

Daniel Glauber was convicted in 2017 of working for both OPM and the National Security Agency for four months and earning over $70,000. Both jobs were in-person, but Glauber wasn't showing up to either one, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia.

Attorney John Beale earned $900,000 over 13 years by telling his managers at the Environmental Protection Agency that he often missed work because he also had a job with the Central Intelligence Agency, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia. He admitted in 2013 that he was actually traveling overseas and spending time at his vacation home in Massachusetts, and was sentenced to prison...

Does each count as one or is it two job losses?!? Seeing whereas many of these "double" workers were likely cause by the covid remote work, where they already scratched in previous adjustment?

So yea, I suspect the "published" unemployment rate is suspect, yet not sure how to correctly calculate it in such a dynamic jobs environment. Come to think of it, maybe it's actually higher than 25%.

[royamcr]

Wonder if this includes millions of gig workers like uber drivers that are burning up their cars for peanuts.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by royamcr

Wonder if this includes millions of gig workers like uber drivers that are burning up their cars for peanuts.

Doubt there will be many left in California once Newsome's unionization rule takes effect. That coming on the heels of his 20,000 job losses from raising the minimum wage for fast food workers last year.

[Ripmany]

A nother way to look at it. Any who not employed full time is unemployed. This sight has a 20% average claim but best chart I can find at moment.


https://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set...rking-too-much

[sand247]

Originally Posted by CPT Savajo

Wake up Democrats and Republicans! Don't let your "leaders" lie to you.

"The True Rate of Unemployment (TRU), as defined by LISEP, measures the percentage of the U.S. labor force that is functionally unemployed."

"Using data compiled by the federal government’s Bureau of Labor Statistics, the True Rate of Unemployment tracks the percentage of the U.S. labor force that does not have a full-time job (35+ hours a week) but wants one, has no job, or does not earn a living wage, conservatively pegged at $25,000 annually before taxes.
Just as an accurate census is a prerequisite to funding American communities equitably, policymakers depend on economic indicators to shape economic policy. LISEP developed the True Rate of Unemployment to provide analysts and decision-makers with a more accurate measure of Americans’ financial well-being."

https://www.lisep.org/tru

Their figures seem to be in line with John Williams Shadow Stats.

https://www.shadowstats.com/alternat...loyment-charts

Under $25K earnings counted as "unemployed" is kinda wild. 10%+ of the labor force is 16-22 year olds.....the kind with part time jobs. The white paper didn't exlcude them, simply stated that they weren't looking for full time. At the end of the day you can make stats stand on their head and bark if you place enough restrictions on them.

They also lost me at an even breakdown among races, 28% for black/hispanic, 24% for white. Those numbers simply don't add up for the populatin breakdowns and known economic issues.

In short, it's bunk. Might as well sream HIV rates are 90% among sexually active people (when exlcluding hetero, white, female, high income....etc...etc)

[VitaMan]

Strange statistics. I will go with the government figure.

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by sand247

Under $25K earnings counted as "unemployed" is kinda wild. 10%+ of the labor force is 16-22 year olds.....the kind with part time jobs. The white paper didn't exlcude them, simply stated that they weren't looking for full time. At the end of the day you can make stats stand on their head and bark if you place enough restrictions on them.

They also lost me at an even breakdown among races, 28% for black/hispanic, 24% for white. Those numbers simply don't add up for the populatin breakdowns and known economic issues.

In short, it's bunk. Might as well sream HIV rates are 90% among sexually active people (when exlcluding hetero, white, female, high income....etc...etc)

Not to mention a living wage in New York City would not be the same as many lower cost areas of the country. You can't just say X amount is a living wage.

[victoryformation]

Originally Posted by sand247

Under $25K earnings counted as "unemployed" is kinda wild. 10%+ of the labor force is 16-22 year olds.....the kind with part time jobs. The white paper didn't exlcude them, simply stated that they weren't looking for full time. At the end of the day you can make stats stand on their head and bark if you place enough restrictions on them.

They also lost me at an even breakdown among races, 28% for black/hispanic, 24% for white. Those numbers simply don't add up for the populatin breakdowns and known economic issues.

In short, it's bunk. Might as well sream HIV rates are 90% among sexually active people (when exlcluding hetero, white, female, high income....etc...etc)

During the pandemic the death rates from Covid were highly inflated for $elf-$erving reasons!
(The more covid deaths a hospital could claim... the more $$$
from the government they could get!)
So, did the patient die "with" Covid ... or did he die "from" Covid?
So, if a patient died of a heart attack and happened to have Covid ... he was classified as having died "from" Covid when the actual cause of death was a heart attack!
This was done by the hospitals to game the system and pump up the Covid #s so they could get more $$$ from the government!
(All government #s ... have to be scrutinized and taken with a grain of salt!)

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by CPT Savajo

...Just as an accurate census is a prerequisite to funding American communities equitably, policymakers depend on economic indicators to shape economic policy...

I had totally forgot about this "accurate census" aspect. There is a movement, gaining momentum to recalculate the 2020 census, because of some anomalies in how it was swizzled.

I believe Sen. Jim Banks (R) Indiana is mostly focused on the impact to delegate apportionments, but it would also apply to the denominator of the equation showing how many eligible legal voters there actually are. You can read it at his website above.

The Federalist explains it thusly:

Jim Banks Demands Census Bureau Fix Errors That Gave Dems 6 Extra Seats
By: Beth Brelje October 06, 2025

‘It is crucial the Census Bureau take steps to ensure that the 2030 Census does not allocate political power to illegal aliens,’ Banks said.

The U.S. Census Bureau admitted in 2022 that the results from the 2020 Census were flawed in 14 states, meaning the political infrastructure determined by the census — the Electoral College, congressional districts, and congressional seat apportionment — are built on inaccurate information. We are stuck using these faulty census results until the 2030 Census because, even if we had another census now, U.S. Code mandates that mid-decade census results “Shall not be used for apportionment of representatives in Congress … nor shall such information be used in prescribing congressional districts.”

Now Sen. Jim Banks, R-Ind., is pressing the Census Bureau to share information that will make it possible to review the accuracy of the 2020 Census and to assure an accurate count in 2030. Banks sent a letter Monday to Department of Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, urging an investigation into the errors.

In 2020, the census undercounted population in five mostly Republican states, Arkansas, Florida, Mississippi, Tennessee, Texas, and one Democrat state, Illinois.

And the census overcounted in six Democrat states, Delaware, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New York, Rhode Island, and in two Republican states, Utah and Ohio.

“In 2020, the Census Bureau made widespread errors,” Banks’ letter reads. “These errors happened for various reasons — but in part because the Census Bureau published census data using a new methodology that intentionally miscounted the population and masked demographic data. The methodology, differential privacy, injects noise into individual voting districts.”

Differential privacy is a method of collecting data that is supposed to protect privacy by adding random data into the mix so no one can be sure if the data they are looking at is accurate or the added fake data. From there, algorithms are applied that get the data in the ballpark, but never a precise count.

“As prepared by the Biden administration, the 2020 Census reports miscounted the population of fourteen states, wrongly allocating six congressional seats and Electoral College votes to the Democrat party,” the letter reads. “The reports may have also miscounted the population in a number of voting districts. And the reports definitively included illegal aliens without tracking those aliens’ citizenship status. If left uncorrected, these errors will continue diluting the political power of American citizens.”

The skewed results gave “disproportionate political power to Democrats and illegal aliens,” Banks said.

The clean data the Census Bureau collected, before it went through the differential privacy treatment, has not been made available, meaning no one knows how many voting districts are problematic.

“A file containing the original, unaltered census data exists, but only a few bureaucrats have access to it. It is crucial that the Census Bureau republishes the 2020 Census using the raw data,” Banks urges in his letter...

Seems to be too much razzle-dazzle in the swizzle.

As such, there is a question on how many legal people there actually are and where they actually are.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

How many long haul truck drivers are foreign citizens without valid work documents?

How many US citizens could be filling those jobs?

We don't know. How many?

And how many USA companies hire the former?
How many USA companies overlook US citizens for these jobs because of a cheaper way of moving freight? I have no idea but it get more to the source of the problem than bitching about a consequence of the source of the issue.

[Ripmany]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

We don't know. How many?

And how many USA companies hire the former?
How many USA companies overlook US citizens for these jobs because of a cheaper way of moving freight? I have no idea but it get more to the source of the problem than bitching about a consequence of the source of the issue.

There all are because have a few doctors fake physical and now there not going to report the fraud. I have a CDL I have blood pressure in 250 range yeat no doctor will pass me because when I get into an accident I know to blame the doctor for plea.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Ripmany

There all are because have a few doctors fake physical and now there not going to report the fraud. I have a CDL I have blood pressure in 250 range yeat no doctor will pass me because when I get into an accident I know to blame the doctor for plea.

Forgive me Rip, I can't understand your post.

Could you rephrase, please.

I was just stating that big businesses are not unaware that they are hiring non-citizens. They know they don't have to pay them as much. Some have gone out of the way to secure goverment documents so they can work. Did say the paperwork was legal.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

We don't know. How many?

And how many USA companies hire the former?
How many USA companies overlook US citizens for these jobs because of a cheaper way of moving freight? I have no idea but it get more to the source of the problem than bitching about a consequence of the source of the issue.

Is their an acceptable threshold or high water mark to goal seek for?

Why no interest in how many have been killed or mangled by the recklessness of these bootleg drivers?