Georgia Election Problems - Continued...

[Salty Again]

... No, that is NOT what Trump's telephone call was about.
I'll do a thread on Secretary of State Raffensperger tomorrow,
and will explain chapter and verse on HIS illegality.

... And yes, that haven't changed the the election results - YET,
but the Courts will handle that. ... No doubt a Criminal conspiricy,
and the Investigations are just getting started! ...

... Ain't this FUN? ...

#### Salty

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

...Trump did not just question the results. No problem with that. But depending on one's interpretation of Trump's phone call to Raffensperger there was an attempt by Trump to coerce him to alter the election results. We will never know how a jury would have ruled on the case.

Question, why did Trump do it?

Trump suggested that Raffensperger could be exposed to criminal liability if he didn't act on his fraud claims and “find” votes. Was this a threat? In other words, was Trump threatening to prosecute Raffensperger if he didn't manufacture 11,000 some odd votes out of thin air? Or did he really believe he'd been defrauded?

The call happened in early January of 2021, and Trump was scheduled to leave office in less than a month. He clearly lost the election. If it was threat, to try to force Raffensperger to commit fraud, Trump should have known it was laughable. There was no way he'd be in a position to direct the DOJ to prosecute Raffensperger through to a conviction.

So, in other words, was Trump himself convinced he'd been defrauded in Georgia?

The answer may be yes. He's a great salesman. And the best salesmen convince themselves, in their hearts, that whatever shit they're selling is fine as gold. They're not crazy. They're just able to channel their inner beliefs in a way that promotes their desired ends.

The hole in my theory is that he and his team pursued using alternate and fake electors in places like New Mexico, Michigan and Nevada. It should have been obvious to him that that would be cheating.

[Salty Again]

... G'day Stumpers,

... As been already reported, Fulton County has been forced
to make a rather SHOCKING admission: That Georgia had
Unlawfully Certified approximately 315,000 votes in the
2020 election.

Under state statute, each ballot scanner is required to
produce tabulation tapes at the close of voting, and
poll workers must then sign the tapes to certify
their reported totals. These signed tapes are not just the
administrative safeguard, but are central in determining
whether the vote count itself is proper and legitimate.
But without the signed tabulation tapes. there is NO
verified election result. Yet in Fulton County 315,000
early votes were still included in the official totals.

... Now once Fulton County transmitted its early voting
totals to the state - the responcibility shifted to
GA secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. He had a duty
to ensure that the election results were properly
certified and above board. Yet his office surely accepted
Fulton County's numbers on trust and included them into
GA's final result without ever verifying that the proper
and required procedures were followed.

... This FACT is especially important in light of the
events that followed - and President Trump's challenge
to Raffensperger concerning whistleblower revelations.

On 2, January - back in 2021, still-President Trump
called Raffensperger to discuss the irregularities
in Fulton County, and mentioning that the vote counting
there in Fulton County was "Totally Corrupt".
Trump cited that 250 to 300,000 ballots that had been
"dropped mysteriously into the rolls" and noting that
Fulton County had never been checked.

... And in light of what has NOW been revealed -
it surely looks-like President Trump's claim back-then
was DEAD-ON ACCURATE of what had occurred!

... Rather than taking those concerns seriously as
questions of whether the Rules and Laws had actually
been followed, Raffensperger dismissed them outright,
insisting that "we have an accurate election..."

What Sec. of State Raffensperger didn't disclose was that
his chief of staff - Jordan Fuchs - was secretly recording
the conversation in violation of the Law.

Immediately after the call, Fuchs leaked the tape to the
Washington Post, where the very next day it was framed to
create now-infamous narrative that Trump had pressured
Raffensperger to "find 11,780 votes"...

... President Trump's point was not that 11,780 votes
should be somehow manufactured - but Trump was asserting
that large-scale illegality had happened in Fulton Co.
and whistleblowers had pointed it out - which should
call into question Joe Biden's supposed "win"...

... President Trump had a duty to ensure that the elections
are fair and thus free of corruption - and thus wanted
to take the findings and whistleblower claims to a Judge
- which Raffensperger slow-played and thus declined to do.

As Raffensperger's leaked phone call was selectively
edited and used to vilify President Trump and became
a central exhibit to portray Trump as trying to
criminally overturn the election - instead of challenging
that the election was being illegally certified.

... So, President Trump and the whistleblowers there
were CORRECT - and Brad Raffensperger's office has
created a Fundamental Failure by refusing to follow
the basic Rules and Laws. And the consequences of
Raffensperger's sad actions fell onto Trump - for simply
inquiring IF what was suspected about Fulton County
and the state of Georgia were true: that the legal
requirements for counting hundreds of thousands of
votes had been fundamentally violated.

... And they were!

.... So NOW it's past time for those corrupt individuals
who had a hand in this to face charges and accountability
under the Law.

#### Salty

[Salty Again]

... Go read me piece over in the other thread, and wait until
the investigation shows Trump's phone call in its entirety.
For instance, you are aware that Trump and Raffensperger
were not the onley people on the call - there were barristers also
- and that Trump was - as we see NOW - dead-on accurate about
the claims on Fulton County. The TRUTH has been shown.

Whistleblowers not-onley contend that those tabulations didn't
have anyone sign off on them - which NOW has been proven TRUE
- but the whistleblowers also contend that those ballots I'm
still waiting to see are FAKE - one ballot "for Joe Biden" was
multiple copied --- which is why the Board of Elections want
to see ALL the ballots, envelopes and ballot images - to ensure
that they are REAL.

... You'd think THAT would be rather simple to show - IF the said
ballots are REAL. ... Why not just show them and thus SHUT ME UP??
It's been What? ... Five years now? ...

... See? ... The whistleblowers surely SIGNED sworn avadavats
that what they are claiming is the truth.
So then WHY have we NOT heard any of them being charged for lying??

Whistleblowers claiming the Fulton County tabulations were NOT
properly signed - and THAT turns out to be TRUE - as 315,000 votes
certified ILLEGALLY.

And whistleblowers also claiming "me ballots" are FAKE.
Blimey! What are the chances of THIS being TRUE also?? ...

#### Salty

[texassapper]

It will become considered common knowledge that the 2020 election was stolen. All the leftists claiming otherwise will act as though there is no way anyone could know for certain.

The math doesn't math. Thats all we ever needed to know.

If there were no crimes committed, it should have been nothing to show the ballots... and we know why they didn't want to... because of the fraud.

A 2020 clip of a Fulton County election worker testifying under oath that she observed 100% of military absentee ballots go to Biden is now resurfacing amid the new revelation that over 300,000 ballots were illegally counted in Fulton County.

[Tiny]

Salty, This is what I'm reading and hypothesizing. What have I got wrong?

Under Georgia state law, ballots can't be unsealed except via a court order. Most likely at some point a court will order they they be unsealed. When they are, I don't believe they'll provide evidence of election fraud. Btw, I do think the law is bull shit, as the Georgia State Election Board is not allowed to examine the ballots without a court order. Where's the oversight?

The absence of signatures on many of the tapes is the result of incompetence, in a blue county. Election workers forgot or didn't know to sign the tapes. If you don't sign your tax return, the IRS won't accept it. Is that reasonable for ballots too? Should you kick the votes out? I don't think so. Governments in a lot of blue cities aren't capable of dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's, so a lot of voters would be disenfranchised. And the voters didn't screw up. It was the election workers.

Election workers in the recount process sorted overseas ballots (including military ballots) into stacks by candidate. Thus one stack including 950 votes for Biden and none for Trump. Another included 130 votes for Trump and none for Biden.

We know the total number of machine ballots cast in Fulton County, and in the state of Georgia. There was an initial machine count, and a hand count, and a second machine count. And they all pretty much agreed.

Given the agreement in the counts, about the only way you could perpetrate fraud sufficient to change the results would be to have operatives cast a lot of votes. And those votes would have to tie back to registered voters who never showed up at the polls. How could you perpetrate a fraud of that magnitude without people finding out? And what would be the motivation? It would take a real idiot to risk years of imprisonment to try to help elect Joe Biden president.

If there indeed were massive voter fraud in Fulton County, then of course we'd want to see it uncovered. But what difference would it make? Trump still would have lost the election.

Btw, you're not correct about the legality of the recording. Under the laws of both Georgia and Washington, D.C., it's legal to record as long as one party on the call knows it's being recorded, according to Perplexity. Fuchs was on the call.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Go read me piece over in the other thread, and wait until
the investigation shows Trump's phone call in its entirety.
For instance, you are aware that Trump and Raffensperger
were not the onley people on the call - there were barristers also
- and that Trump was - as we see NOW - dead-on accurate about
the claims on Fulton County. The TRUTH has been shown.

Whistleblowers not-onley contend that those tabulations didn't
have anyone sign off on them - which NOW has been proven TRUE
- but the whistleblowers also contend that those ballots I'm
still waiting to see are FAKE - one ballot "for Joe Biden" was
multiple copied --- which is why the Board of Elections want
to see ALL the ballots, envelopes and ballot images - to ensure
that they are REAL.

... You'd think THAT would be rather simple to show - IF the said
ballots are REAL. ... Why not just show them and thus SHUT ME UP??
It's been What? ... Five years now? ...

... See? ... The whistleblowers surely SIGNED sworn avadavats
that what they are claiming is the truth.
So then WHY have we NOT heard any of them being charged for lying??

Whistleblowers claiming the Fulton County tabulations were NOT
properly signed - and THAT turns out to be TRUE - as 315,000 votes
certified ILLEGALLY.

And whistleblowers also claiming "me ballots" are FAKE.
Blimey! What are the chances of THIS being TRUE also?? ...

#### Salty

Of course whistleblowers are going to swear that they are telling the truth. They have a vested interest in this.

Then please explain how 2 recounts came up with the same results if ballots were fake. What you are contending, that a ballot for Joe Biden, was copied multiple times is virtually impossible to happen.

This is a waste of time and effort and money but I hope the contested ballots are released but Trump and the Trumpettes will never be believe the outcome of the 2020 election. That is FACT.

[Yssup Rider]

Merry Christmas, Salty! I hope Santa brings you something new to obsess about for the next five years.

lolling

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by texassapper

It will become considered common knowledge that the 2020 election was stolen. All the leftists claiming otherwise will act as though there is no way anyone could know for certain.

The math doesn't math. Thats all we ever needed to know.

If there were no crimes committed, it should have been nothing to show the ballots... and we know why they didn't want to... because of the fraud.

A 2020 clip of a Fulton County election worker testifying under oath that she observed 100% of military absentee ballots go to Biden is now resurfacing amid the new revelation that over 300,000 ballots were illegally counted in Fulton County.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAJAJAJSJSJSJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHSHSH

JUST SPILLED OVER ME BEER MATE.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Go read me piece over in the other thread, and wait until
the investigation shows Trump's phone call in its entirety.
For instance, you are aware that Trump and Raffensperger
were not the onley people on the call - there were barristers also
- and that Trump was - as we see NOW - dead-on accurate about
the claims on Fulton County. The TRUTH has been shown.

Whistleblowers not-onley contend that those tabulations didn't
have anyone sign off on them - which NOW has been proven TRUE
- but the whistleblowers also contend that those ballots I'm
still waiting to see are FAKE - one ballot "for Joe Biden" was
multiple copied --- which is why the Board of Elections want
to see ALL the ballots, envelopes and ballot images - to ensure
that they are REAL.

... You'd think THAT would be rather simple to show - IF the said
ballots are REAL. ... Why not just show them and thus SHUT ME UP??
It's been What? ... Five years now? ...

... See? ... The whistleblowers surely SIGNED sworn avadavats
that what they are claiming is the truth.
So then WHY have we NOT heard any of them being charged for lying??

Whistleblowers claiming the Fulton County tabulations were NOT
properly signed - and THAT turns out to be TRUE - as 315,000 votes
certified ILLEGALLY.

And whistleblowers also claiming "me ballots" are FAKE.
Blimey! What are the chances of THIS being TRUE also?? ...

#### Salty

You need to provide proof of this. You have yet to provide a shred of evidence … even fake evidence … of any of this, yet you demand respect for the topic and your fragile feelings.

You just howling at the moon for five years doesn’t mean you are right. It means you are just howling,ing at the moon.

No evidence. No viable links. Nothing.

Just Trump’s “perfect phone call.”

Happy Christmas mate. I hope Santa brings you something calming…because as my fellow Houstonian once said in the cinematic classic “Christmas Vacation…”

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by texassapper

It will become considered common knowledge that the 2020 election was stolen. All the leftists claiming otherwise will act as though there is no way anyone could know for certain.

The math doesn't math. Thats all we ever needed to know.

If there were no crimes committed, it should have been nothing to show the ballots... and we know why they didn't want to... because of the fraud.

A 2020 clip of a Fulton County election worker testifying under oath that she observed 100% of military absentee ballots go to Biden is now resurfacing amid the new revelation that over 300,000 ballots were illegally counted in Fulton County.

Let's assume for a brief moment that Trump won Georgia. He still had to win 2 other states from Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and Pennsylvania if I remember correctly.

You have no evidence as of today that a single vote in Georgia was cast illegally. What you got in the other states?

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Merry Christmas, Salty! I hope Santa brings you something new to obsess about for the next five years.

lolling

May I second that wish to NaCl-y and all good cheer to maggies that wax on saltilly tis season.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Salty, This is what I'm reading and hypothesizing. What have I got wrong?

Under Georgia state law, ballots can't be unsealed except via a court order. Most likely at some point a court will order they they be unsealed. When they are, I don't believe they'll provide evidence of election fraud. Btw, I do think the law is bull shit, as the Georgia State Election Board is not allowed to examine the ballots without a court order. Where's the oversight?

The absence of signatures on many of the tapes is the result of incompetence, in a blue county. Election workers forgot or didn't know to sign the tapes. If you don't sign your tax return, the IRS won't accept it. Is that reasonable for ballots too? Should you kick the votes out? I don't think so. Governments in a lot of blue cities aren't capable of dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's, so a lot of voters would be disenfranchised. And the voters didn't screw up. It was the election workers.

Election workers in the recount process sorted overseas ballots (including military ballots) into stacks by candidate. Thus one stack including 950 votes for Biden and none for Trump. Another included 130 votes for Trump and none for Biden.

We know the total number of machine ballots cast in Fulton County, and in the state of Georgia. There was an initial machine count, and a hand count, and a second machine count. And they all pretty much agreed.

Given the agreement in the counts, about the only way you could perpetrate fraud sufficient to change the results would be to have operatives cast a lot of votes. And those votes would have to tie back to registered voters who never showed up at the polls. How could you perpetrate a fraud of that magnitude without people finding out? And what would be the motivation? It would take a real idiot to risk years of imprisonment to try to help elect Joe Biden president.

If there indeed were massive voter fraud in Fulton County, then of course we'd want to see it uncovered. But what difference would it make? Trump still would have lost the election.

Btw, you're not correct about the legality of the recording. Under the laws of both Georgia and Washington, D.C., it's legal to record as long as one party on the call knows it's being recorded, according to Perplexity. Fuchs was on the call.

... Actually, I AM correct on the phone call there, mate.
Yer Perplexity or whatever is either flat-out wrong
or just mis-informed.

First off - it was a phone call with the President of
the United States - and needs to be treated as such.
To record it and then leak it may be a Criminal act,
which the courts can decide.

But secondly - the illegality is also the steps.
Fuchs WAS INDEED on the call - and her recording it
is the problem. ... Under the laws of Georgia and DC
which are one-party states, yes?

But Fuchs recorded the call in Maryland - not in GA or DC.
Maryland - a two-party state. ... Without the knowledge
of the second party. ... Which is Illegal.

... How did ALL those election workers just "fail to sign"
the tapes? ... It's their sworn duty. ... You think that's
surely co-incidence?? ... ... Yet the FACT is,
it's illegal to just have counted votes from UNSIGNED
tabulation records... Mentioned right there in Georgia's
own Election Law. ... So Raffensperger VIOLATED the Law.

... More on this can be found in the last pages of me previous
GA elections thread - entitled "GA Elections Case - Back Open!"
Started on 15-December 2023 and ended 18-June 2024.
Got take a gecko at that for More Details!

Some 315,000 votes Illegally Certified.
Whether all those voters are disenfranchised has NOTHING
to do with Raffensperger's office VIOLATING the Law.

You really gonna use THAT as some-sort of excuse, Tiny??

... How Sad. ...

##### Salty

[Salty Again]

...

... Whether it was two (2) recounts - or fifty (50) - the numbers
are obviously gonna "come up the same" IF they are counting the
same numbers... ... If the ballots are fake or not - it's STILL
the same number. ... They are just recounting whatever totals they have.

And for the record - Fulton County even buggered THAT up
with their initial count... Joe Rossi even pointed THAT out to them.
They couldn't even get THAT correct without "outside help"....

#### Salty

[Salty Again]

... What was that?? ... I'VE not provide a shred of evidence or proof??
Crikey! ... Surely then reckon it's a good thing that I don't have to.

Because as 'Sapper's been pointing out - Everybody Else is starting
to provide the proof. ... ...

... and one thing's FOR CERTAIN - Fulton County AIN'T Disputin'
that 315,000 votes Should NOT have been counted....

... But whatever you do --- Please Keep Reading! ...

#### Salty