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Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter
Seriously guys, these issues were all thought through back when Fosta/Sesta came out in 2019 and some template changes occurred then.
Tinman is correct with his post:
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Wow fantastic detective work. This should be stickied somewhere, maybe in the men's lounge? Maybe we should add an "Encounter Reports - LE" section LOL
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Originally Posted by purplepatch
You've never found any woman that was trafficked... When were you looking? You don't see it because you don't want to see it. You've made it clear time and time again that your primary concern is getting your rocks off. In a previous post you described in detail a common trafficking situation where they are coerced into sex work to pay a debt. That's called trafficking genius. And tell me this - If they're making so much money, why do so many of them live on site at the business? Maybe because that money they're making isn't going into their own pocket but someone else's.
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I've point by point debunked all your claims in the last thread yet you pop up here again repeating the same points without acknowledging my evidence.
Copying and pasting my previous answers as a courtesy to other posters, but if you're going to shut your ears and only listen to what you want to listen then it's not a productive use of my time to even try to enlighten you, plus you're hijacking and derailing the point of this original thread.
So yes a portion of the women in this line of work are in debt, and huge amounts of it that they cannot repay via normal means (usually happens when they try to open a business back in the home country and it fails). Normal jobs wouldn't be able to pay back the high amounts that they owe, so they start searching through their networks and online for ways to earn a ton of money, fast, and that is how these women fall into massage work.
The key point here is both the money they initially borrowed and the decision to do massage work are both their choices, they were they ones that seeked out both of these options in the first place, so there is no coercion going on at any point in the process. From what I've seen only about 1/5 of massage ladies start out as debtors (the vast majority are single moms/divorced women that were formerly doing menial jobs but switched to massage b/c the pay is exceedingly better), and the good ones make enough money to pay off all their debt within a year so they don't even remain debtors for long anyways.
Regarding the living onsite, this is case by case and depends on the AMP owner. Just like all restaurant bosses are different, the same applies with AMP owners: some are generous and provide separate housing for their workers, but others are stingier and make their workers get their own housing, and the workers try to scrimp by living onsite. This was the case at Hinton for example, the boss there didn't provide housing and thus some of the masseuses slept onsite because they didn't want to spend $70 a day on hotels and ubers back and forth, these costs add up after all and the chinese are notoriously cheap and frugal; they could have easily afforded the hotel room but wanted to save every single cent since most of them don't plan on work in massage long term and are only staying long enough to attain whatever financial goal they have in mind.
Your insistence on these women being trafficked seems to stem from the fact that an AMP lady refused to meet you outside the shop "because her boss wouldn't let her". Sorry to break the news bud but that was probably a white lie, think about it from her perspective: if her primary motive is to make money, why would would she ever want to meet you outside? Are you compensating her more per hour than she otherwise would be making at the shop?
You mentioned that you wanted to be her boyfriend so I highly doubt that, I'd guess you were probably offering your emotional support in exchange for her time, but unless you're a movie star in terms of looks or exceedingly rich your emotional support is worth jack shit to these women - the main thing they care about is cold, hard cash in their wallet.
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Originally Posted by ClevererHandle
I'd go a step further and suggest we mostly post L0 reviews and keep any explicit levels of service only hinted at if they're available.
Also, no need to pile on -- we don't need another review of another L3 session.
No need to steer the cops to the more felonious establishments...
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Agreed that L0 reviews would be helpful, but the mods here aren't interested in rewarding that unfortunately... Maybe the next best thing would be just have an ongoing thread where people can post their L0 encounters? That way it be lightweight and you don't have to spend as much time as you would when writing a review?
