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[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Hey eye, do you know the meaning of the word "convicted"? I'm pretty sure it means due process was served. And we're not talking about US Citizens, we're talking about non-citizens who committed and were convicted of crimes.

Also, do you understand the meaning of "due process"? Maybe this will help. It's from my trusty AI research assistant:

"In fiscal year (FY) 2025 (through September 30, 2025), U.S. immigration judges issued 485,456 removal orders after formal court proceedings, which constitute "due process". Many more non-citizens have existing final removal orders that have not yet been executed."

"Total with Final Orders: As of late November 2024, approximately 1.4 million non-citizens who had already gone through the full immigration court process and received final orders of removal were still residing in the U.S."


You do understand that the immigration courts can only issue deportation orders, they can't execute them, right? The latter is handled by Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) once the removal order is final.

Do you want to abolish ICE? If so, why not be upfront & honest about it? If that's what you advocate, say it!

If we get rid of ICE, we might as well shut down all of our immigration courts too. Why have a legal process if there's nobody to enforce its rulings?

Think about it, eye.

I have ZERO problem with those who have had their day in court and ability to be heard by a judge as to the claim for asylum or not. I do not trust that is what is happening at all. I think that ICE is profiling people (illegally) and using raids in typically blue cities as a political example- and resulting in ineffective use of personnel, and in fact causing more harm than resolving deportiongs.

I also DO have a problem when in the process of supposed carrying out orders, that these brigades of ICE personnel- both accost and harm US Citizens in the process. There are protected rights to protest in the US- and your lack of concern about that, frankly is concern for the rest of us. Apparently- you like a police state and are fine with being dragged out of your car- or your family members being dragged out, or ordered out- and shot during any part of that process. "Shoulda listed the the gustapo when they tell you to get out! " Did you vote REd for the hat, or just the authoritarian regime and all the gusto of conformity to dear leader??

Originally Posted by bambino

“Think about it, eye.“

You’re joking, right?

LOL- says the regurgamime=meme poster of rumble, telegram, x, and 4chan, and boogymanbad.com; all very reputable. NOT.

You will post anything as gospel along with the laughter tagline

I at least show some semblance of putting more into a reply- than a few memes' or links from good old 'alternative news', excuse me, ENTERTAINMENT info sites. As usual- your prowess of mastering the interwebs is less than mediocre at best- and demonstrates what good conservatives do- eat, digest and regurgitate the story.

The credibility of someone who lacks the ability to articulate the lack of facts that substantiate actions is what were talking about. ICE is operating out of their lane- and while you and Lusty may think it's ok- 'REAL THINKING AMERICANS' and the rest of the world are watching a model republic- our country, turn into a 3rd world dictatorship in a little over 12 months.

Under the Trump administration- the lack of finding bad guys with the 'BAD HOMBRE's moniker- aka violent offenders is less than 5%. I thought there were all these terrible fuckers that were let in and were smashing, grabbing, raping, looting, shooting and just hell raising motherfuckers. Apparently not so much.



https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting...1118-SD001.pdf

https://stateline.org/2025/12/12/an-...iminal-record/

(excerpt from above link)
“The result stands in contrast to the administration’s objective of arresting the ‘worst of the worst,’” said Ariel Ruiz Soto, a senior policy analyst at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute. Heightened enforcement is likely increasing “collateral” arrests of people found during searches for convicted criminals, he said.



Comparisons between the Trump and Biden administrations were calculated *sic -While more people were arrested this year, a lower percentage are convicted criminals.

Tell me how effective it is to arrest non resident migrants- vs. the worst of the worst- aka the gaslighting of GOP voters who fell for the ruse that the administration had any plan of how to root those types out, IF they even exist. Trump has claimed a lot of things to be factual like his intelligence test of naming a Giraffe, Lion, Man, clock. - but doesn't make them actually true.


Lastly- if Biden did bring in 10-15 million illegals into the country-why is it that haven't recovered even 700,000.-that's like only 5%!

Where did they all go?
Hoeman simply crows 'mass deportations'.- Ok well from where, cause your stats on finding these evil colonies sucks dude.

Did they all wear those cloaking robes like in Harry Potter?

Does our ICE have any idea of where they are?
NOPE- but DEMS-..they are hosting them in those sanctuary cities. LOL sure they are.

Were those numbers a RUSE or based in fact, assumptions, or BS?

It's kinda looking like a little of all 3- but don't dwell on the facts here- there is a lot more gaslighting in that tank to be done.

OFFICIALLY ICE has said:
Apparently that's cause the really bad people self deported- they were scared: According to homeland Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin. “Illegal aliens are hearing our message to leave now. They know if they don’t, we will find them, we will arrest them, and they will never return.” Sounds like she's quoting Liam Neeson



https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ic...-rape-and-more

ICE Barbies link above. If you look at the top ten folks they removed- are they shitty yeah!, but are they any worse than some of our congressmen- Ted Kennedy, or Matt Gaetz, or even Jim Jordan. Nope. Hell, some of them have a few DUI's so they were likely in the same 12 step program. NOW- whats funny is you'd still need to believe that what this department is writing is actually factual. Under this administration- almost everything on gov't sites is actually filtered through to please just 1 person.
guess who???



It's laughable also that they state these are worst of the worst, when some had removal orders for 30 yrs. (well what the fuck -....they surely must not have been very bad in the USA for those 30 yrs, as they would have been ousted if caught at anytime for having outstanding removal orders. Must be some ninja motherfuckers. Oh yeah- and like only 3 were mexican. Most from Laos, China and Asia...but yet we hate the brown folks from Somalia the most apparently - ICE.

And lastly- here's something intersting:

Barack Obama's administration deported more immigrants than any other in the last 3 decades, according to official figures analyzed by Factchequeado. It carried out 2,749,706 deportations in 8 years, an average of 942 per day. During his first term (2009-2012), it averaged 1,088 per day; in the second (2013-2016), the daily average dropped to 794.

Between January and June 2025, Donald Trump's administration carried out 128,039 deportations, averaging 810 per day, fewer than in the years with the highest deportations under Obama. But detentions have reached record numbers: on August 11, 2025, it surpassed 60,000 arrests, more than 80% without criminal records, according to ICE data.

Obama's policy prioritized, especially in his second term, the deportation of people with criminal charges, while in Trump's policy, the categories don't matter.

[oldman2525]

Originally Posted by jayzee43

You know that's not a proper news source, right? It's a flimsy opinion piece written by one of trump's loyalist flunkies, and made to look official.

By the beginning of the second paragraph, it's all moronic MAGA rhetoric attacking politicians in Minnesota.

It's a political hit piece. It's not real news.

you do know if this was false, every left wing media outlet would be on it.......

heres some more but you will still deny it

https://www.aol.com/articles/ice-arr...225953163.html

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/12/12/...philes-rapists


and from AI which again you dont trust unless it fits your opinion


U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operations, particularly the recent "Operation Metro Surge," have resulted in the arrest of hundreds of illegal immigrants in Minnesota with significant criminal histories, including numerous felony convictions.
According to the DHS and ICE news releases, some individuals arrested had prior convictions for serious felonies such as:
Homicide/murder
Sexual assault (including child sexual assault and rape)
Assault and battery (including domestic violence)
Burglary
Drug trafficking and possession of controlled substances
Forgery and fraud
Weapons possession
Kidnapping
Larceny and vehicle theft
Since the start of Operation Metro Surge, ICE and DHS law enforcement have arrested over 1,500 "criminal illegal aliens" across Minnesota. Officials note that many of these individuals had previous orders of removal but remained in the United States and continued to commit crimes.
Specific examples highlighted by authorities include:
Loc Vinh Truong, a Vietnamese national with six criminal convictions, including five felonies for first-degree burglary, forgery, and possession of controlled substances.
Jose Alejandro Alvarado, an El Salvadoran national convicted of sexual assault on a child.
Abdikani Noor Ibrahim, a Somalian national and registered sex offender convicted of 17 crimes, including vehicle theft, forgery, domestic violence, and terroristic threats.
Mongong Kual Maniang Deng, a Sudanese national convicted of attempt to commit homicide and weapon possession.

[jayzee43]

The media is addressing these bullshit puff pieces because that's exactly what they are. They don't warrant any kind of serious response.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by jayzee43

It's a political hit piece. It's not real news.

Originally Posted by jayzee43

The media is addressing these bullshit puff pieces because that's exactly what they are.

Wait - is it a "hit piece" or a "puff piece"? They're opposites, you know. Can't be both. Please make up your mind.

And how about answering my previous question - are you saying the rapes and murders described in either the "hit piece" or the "bullshit puff piece" did not occur? (Asking for the victims.)

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Apparently- you like a police state and are fine with being dragged out of your car- or your family members being dragged out, or ordered out- and shot during any part of that process. "Shoulda listed (sic) the gustapo (sic) when they tell you to get out! "

Uh... no.

Here's the question I asked you, eye:

Originally Posted by lustylad

Do you want to abolish ICE? If so, why not be upfront & honest about it? If that's what you advocate, say it!

Wanna try again to answer it, this time without deflecting by accusing me of yearning for a "police state"?

[jayzee43]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Wait - is it a "hit piece" or a "puff piece"? They're opposites, you know. Can't be both. Please make up your mind.

They hit at the political opposition while puffing up trump's clown car administration. They can absolutely be, and are, both.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by jayzee43

They hit at the political opposition while puffing up trump's clown car administration. They can absolutely be, and are, both.

Ok, thanks for clarifying!

Ready to answer the question now?

Are you saying the rapes and murders described in the "hit piece/puff piece" didn't occur? (Asking for the victims.)

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Uh... no.

Here's the question I asked you, eye:



Wanna try again to answer it, this time without deflecting by accusing me of yearning for a "police state"?

You do seem to yearn for a police state, though. It's an ironic theme among MAGAs. Hidden bullet point #6

[jayzee43]

MAGAs love them a good police state. Especially the trump kind, where it's only those who are "darker than blue" in the crosshairs.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

You do seem to yearn for a police state, though. It's an ironic theme among MAGAs. Hidden bullet point #6

I'm not MAGA. I just yearn for a secure border. Can't have that without ICE. And since we're mind-reading - you yearn for open borders and anarchy.

It's an ironic theme on the left. Brag about Obama's deportation record. Then turn around and call trump a fascist for not meeting Obama's numbers.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by jayzee43

MAGAs love them a good police state.

If you say so.

Ready to answer the question now?

Are you saying the rapes and murders described in the "hit piece/puff piece" didn't occur? (Asking for the victims.)


Still waiting to hear from eye, too:

Do you want to abolish ICE? If so, why not be upfront & honest about it? If that's what you advocate, say it!

[Green_Mountain]

Worth a 2 minute listen if you want to hear about the atrocities of open borders in Italy.

It’s the future of the US if the dems get their way. And the dems have the brainwashed fools that support it, even if it decreases their own quality of life.

https://x.com/travelingflying/status...167239764?s=20

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by lustylad

If you say so.

Ready to answer the question now?

Are you saying the rapes and murders described in the "hit piece/puff piece" didn't occur? (Asking for the victims.)


Still waiting to hear from eye, too:

Do you want to abolish ICE? If so, why not be upfront & honest about it? If that's what you advocate, say it!

Per your request- I don't want to abolish ICE. I want them to conform to the same laws that inner state police and federal agents do. Not on the border guard shacks with machine guns blazing or disrupting normal rural America- Not forcing people at gun point out of cars, but if they were any good-, they would watch for opportunities to do NO HARM, while still enforcing overstays or exportations of non legals. I find it abusive to everyday citizens to watch them being deployed on cities where there are clearly political motives and it's not about a show of force. It's the violence and lack of restraint that they demonstrate to everyone who either mocks them, or taunts them.

If you're in law enforcement in any city- you need a thick skin. Not a thin skinned guy who shoots a women in the face- a US citizen 3x and then calls you a fucking bitch while watching you bleed out and your car rolls down the road and she's dead. Nor the lack of compassion for the faithful- shooting a preacher in the head with a pepper ball. I could go on and cite a dozen other related items. Thats the shit that needs to stop.

If they don't have a plan to execute these raids / searches or stops without violating 4th amendment rights or civil rights, they shouldn't be doing them. Plain and simple. I don't think that's liberal, or conservative; I think all the rest of AMERICA would be better off having the process be less medieval and compliant with laws and a civilized country.

Otherwise- you have the current ICE animals who roam around busting peoples heads, shooting them, taking away your most sacred right to life and you conservatives seem to say - oh fucking well. They musta had it coming. That ends bad in almost 100% of the way for ICE and conservatives. Either by someone with equal disdain for life taking it out of ICE or it's representatives, proxies or supporters, or by losing bigly in the upcoming mid-terms.

In every instance - I don't see how the low deportation levels warrant the aggressive nature and action of the ICE deputies. I realize it's a hard job, and likely was made worse by having shitty operational heads in Hoeman and Noem. Those two are all messed up on numerous accounts, but to answer you question as I have above- no I don't think we should eliminate ICE- but at this point- I'm inclined to take away firearms from 90% of them and make them do their jobs as if killing people isn't part n parcel of process or expected. On the flip-side- I see a lot of neanderthals laughing, and chortling when they see people being shuttled off to penal colonies like CCOT or Aligator fuckyerself.

It's just not the way to handle this shit. Do better Hoeman and Noem. do better.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by jayzee43

MAGAs love them a good police state. Especially the trump kind, where it's only those who are "darker than blue" in the crosshairs.

They don't admit to themselves that this is what is happening in many ecospheres of 'conservative news',---- no chance they will on here. This is about enabling racism and hatred in the name of border security. The same group would round up brown people at home depot and send them to El Salvador. Erika Kirk approves of your hatred btw! https://thedmonline.com/vance-and-ki...eeches-and-qa/

They likely would be the same people 'innocently' loading people on trains to Auschwitz in 1930's and 40's. "Just deporting the scourge to a better location and off our reservation." Similarly- not allowing for asylum, or representation, habeas corpus or any of the other rights we have on paper- but seem to have been lost with the wave of a magic RedHat.

the darkness of skin- is just an added kink to most of these folks; demonizing them while giving it up to lighter tones in south africa or the netherlands. It's almost as if I've heard of this book and know how it ends.

[jayzee43]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

They don't admit to themselves that this is what is happening in many ecospheres of 'conservative news',---- no chance they will on here. This is about enabling racism and hatred in the name of border security. The same group would round up brown people at home depot and send them to El Salvador. Erika Kirk approves of your hatred btw! https://thedmonline.com/vance-and-ki...eeches-and-qa/

They likely would be the same people 'innocently' loading people on trains to Auschwitz in 1930's and 40's. "Just deporting the scourge to a better location and off our reservation." Similarly- not allowing for asylum, or representation, habeas corpus or any of the other rights we have on paper- but seem to have been lost with the wave of a magic RedHat.

the darkness of skin- is just an added kink to most of these folks; demonizing them while giving it up to lighter tones in south africa or the netherlands. It's almost as if I've heard of this book and know how it ends.

Yep. It's all MAGA has ever been about. They'll never admit it publicly, because anyone wanting this to happen they way it's happening is a coward by definition, but we don't need them to admit it. It's obvious to anyone with a functioning brain.

They're only fooling themselves.