Maga

[Green_Mountain]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

They don't admit to themselves that this is what is happening in many ecospheres of 'conservative news',---- no chance they will on here. This is about enabling racism and hatred in the name of border security. The same group would round up brown people at home depot and send them to El Salvador. Erika Kirk approves of your hatred btw! https://thedmonline.com/vance-and-ki...eeches-and-qa/

They likely would be the same people 'innocently' loading people on trains to Auschwitz in 1930's and 40's. "Just deporting the scourge to a better location and off our reservation." Similarly- not allowing for asylum, or representation, habeas corpus or any of the other rights we have on paper- but seem to have been lost with the wave of a magic RedHat.

the darkness of skin- is just an added kink to most of these folks; demonizing them while giving it up to lighter tones in south africa or the netherlands. It's almost as if I've heard of this book and know how it ends.

You had this same position when democrat Clinton and then democrat Obama had many, many deportations, correct?

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

I'm not MAGA.

You may not self-identify but you certainly have been identified

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by jayzee43

You realize none of these things are actually happening, right?

America First? Lol. That's just a sad punchline at this point.

Smaller government? He's trying to put the military in our streets, for fuck's sake.

Strong defense? How? By illegally invading another country who posed no real threat to us, or anyone else? That's no different than what Putin is doing.

Legal immigration? Try zero immigration. A "nation of immigrants" has woefully lost its way. Immigrants built this country.

Fuck MAGA. The end of MAGA's idiotic reign of incompetence and bigotry can't come soon enough. For the good of the country, and therefore the world.

LEGAL Immigrants built this country. not ILLEGALS.

Originally Posted by eyecu2

I have ZERO problem with those who have had their day in court and ability to be heard by a judge as to the claim for asylum or not. I do not trust that is what is happening at all. I think that ICE is profiling people (illegally) and using raids in typically blue cities as a political example- and resulting in ineffective use of personnel, and in fact causing more harm than resolving deportiongs.

I also DO have a problem when in the process of supposed carrying out orders, that these brigades of ICE personnel- both accost and harm US Citizens in the process. There are protected rights to protest in the US- and your lack of concern about that, frankly is concern for the rest of us. Apparently- you like a police state and are fine with being dragged out of your car- or your family members being dragged out, or ordered out- and shot during any part of that process. "Shoulda listed the the gustapo when they tell you to get out! " Did you vote REd for the hat, or just the authoritarian regime and all the gusto of conformity to dear leader??





LOL- says the regurgamime=meme poster of rumble, telegram, x, and 4chan, and boogymanbad.com; all very reputable. NOT.

You will post anything as gospel along with the laughter tagline

I at least show some semblance of putting more into a reply- than a few memes' or links from good old 'alternative news', excuse me, ENTERTAINMENT info sites. As usual- your prowess of mastering the interwebs is less than mediocre at best- and demonstrates what good conservatives do- eat, digest and regurgitate the story.

The credibility of someone who lacks the ability to articulate the lack of facts that substantiate actions is what were talking about. ICE is operating out of their lane- and while you and Lusty may think it's ok- 'REAL THINKING AMERICANS' and the rest of the world are watching a model republic- our country, turn into a 3rd world dictatorship in a little over 12 months.

Under the Trump administration- the lack of finding bad guys with the 'BAD HOMBRE's moniker- aka violent offenders is less than 5%. I thought there were all these terrible fuckers that were let in and were smashing, grabbing, raping, looting, shooting and just hell raising motherfuckers. Apparently not so much.



https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting...1118-SD001.pdf

https://stateline.org/2025/12/12/an-...iminal-record/

(excerpt from above link)
“The result stands in contrast to the administration’s objective of arresting the ‘worst of the worst,’” said Ariel Ruiz Soto, a senior policy analyst at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute. Heightened enforcement is likely increasing “collateral” arrests of people found during searches for convicted criminals, he said.



Comparisons between the Trump and Biden administrations were calculated *sic -While more people were arrested this year, a lower percentage are convicted criminals.

Tell me how effective it is to arrest non resident migrants- vs. the worst of the worst- aka the gaslighting of GOP voters who fell for the ruse that the administration had any plan of how to root those types out, IF they even exist. Trump has claimed a lot of things to be factual like his intelligence test of naming a Giraffe, Lion, Man, clock. - but doesn't make them actually true.


Lastly- if Biden did bring in 10-15 million illegals into the country-why is it that haven't recovered even 700,000.-that's like only 5%!

Where did they all go?
Hoeman simply crows 'mass deportations'.- Ok well from where, cause your stats on finding these evil colonies sucks dude.

Did they all wear those cloaking robes like in Harry Potter?

Does our ICE have any idea of where they are?
NOPE- but DEMS-..they are hosting them in those sanctuary cities. LOL sure they are.

Were those numbers a RUSE or based in fact, assumptions, or BS?

It's kinda looking like a little of all 3- but don't dwell on the facts here- there is a lot more gaslighting in that tank to be done.

OFFICIALLY ICE has said:
Apparently that's cause the really bad people self deported- they were scared: According to homeland Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin. “Illegal aliens are hearing our message to leave now. They know if they don’t, we will find them, we will arrest them, and they will never return.” Sounds like she's quoting Liam Neeson



https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ic...-rape-and-more

ICE Barbies link above. If you look at the top ten folks they removed- are they shitty yeah!, but are they any worse than some of our congressmen- Ted Kennedy, or Matt Gaetz, or even Jim Jordan. Nope. Hell, some of them have a few DUI's so they were likely in the same 12 step program. NOW- whats funny is you'd still need to believe that what this department is writing is actually factual. Under this administration- almost everything on gov't sites is actually filtered through to please just 1 person.
guess who???



It's laughable also that they state these are worst of the worst, when some had removal orders for 30 yrs. (well what the fuck -....they surely must not have been very bad in the USA for those 30 yrs, as they would have been ousted if caught at anytime for having outstanding removal orders. Must be some ninja motherfuckers. Oh yeah- and like only 3 were mexican. Most from Laos, China and Asia...but yet we hate the brown folks from Somalia the most apparently - ICE.

And lastly- here's something intersting:

Barack Obama's administration deported more immigrants than any other in the last 3 decades, according to official figures analyzed by Factchequeado. It carried out 2,749,706 deportations in 8 years, an average of 942 per day. During his first term (2009-2012), it averaged 1,088 per day; in the second (2013-2016), the daily average dropped to 794.

Between January and June 2025, Donald Trump's administration carried out 128,039 deportations, averaging 810 per day, fewer than in the years with the highest deportations under Obama. But detentions have reached record numbers: on August 11, 2025, it surpassed 60,000 arrests, more than 80% without criminal records, according to ICE data.

Obama's policy prioritized, especially in his second term, the deportation of people with criminal charges, while in Trump's policy, the categories don't matter.

amusing. you think any president could round up 10 million illegals brought in over 4 years by Biden in 10 months?



you know that's not possible. but at least you concede Biden DID let 10-12 million illegals in the nation! and didn't keep any records. just gave them courts dates .. for 2031. yeah you think any will show up?


the fact is Biden intentionally allowed these illegals to escape into the US making it difficult to track them all down.



did you support that? don't bother with due process nonsense .. unless you are willing to also condemn Obama, Clinton, Bush and probably Eisenhower for the same thing.

[eyecu2]

I've been around the planet for over half a century. I recall some crazy raids by government via the national guard in a few pockets. And when there was violence in states like Ohio or Alabama, it didn't end well for the government, or the people.

Like it or not, ANYONE on our soil gets the same rights and creating civil unrest in the name of not knowing how to do 'The Job', or any job isn't a reason, it's a pathetic excuse. Those who oppress the underdogs usually have a bad habit of coming out on the short end of the stick in History. The people who support the oppression knowingly even more so.

Nothing different today with RedHats cheering on a masked Gunman who called a woman a fucking bitch after he murdered her. Maybe they should have just followed her and legally apprehended her later vs shooting the scary 30 something mom who said, "You can go around".

In my mind, that ICE fella will somehow get squared up against the law, or an Angry guy who has a gun just like his. Sadly MAGAs would rather shoot first, and ask questions never..."fuck your rights and fuck you". Stupid Bitch. There's always a bigger badder gun around the corner, and those who require a government by and for the people to adhere to our laws. Killing citizens is what they do in shithole countries.

Welcome USA, our team of RedHat elites have brought you to the latest aptly used adjective of description for the country. SHUSA

And here I thought, there was gonna be a war on inflation, ...not citizens or visitors.

SHOW US YOUR PAPERS!!!!

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

I've been around the planet for over half a century. I recall some crazy raids by government via the national guard in a few pockets. And when there was violence in states like Ohio or Alabama, it didn't end well for the government, or the people.

Like it or not, ANYONE on our soil gets the same rights and creating civil unrest in the name of not knowing how to do 'The Job', or any job isn't a reason, it's a pathetic excuse. Those who oppress the underdogs usually have a bad habit of coming out on the short end of the stick in History. The people who support the oppression knowingly even more so.

Nothing different today with RedHats cheering on a masked Gunman who called a woman a fucking bitch after he murdered her. Maybe they should have just followed her and legally apprehended her later vs shooting the scary 30 something mom who said, "You can go around".

In my mind, that ICE fella will somehow get squared up against the law, or an Angry guy who has a gun just like his. Sadly MAGAs would rather shoot first, and ask questions never..."fuck your rights and fuck you". Stupid Bitch. There's always a bigger badder gun around the corner, and those who require a government by and for the people to adhere to our laws. Killing citizens is what they do in shithole countries.

Welcome USA, our team of RedHat elites have brought you to the latest aptly used adjective of description for the country. SHUSA

And here I thought, there was gonna be a war on inflation, ...not citizens or visitors.

SHOW US YOUR PAPERS!!!!

what's the first thing cops ask for in a traffic stop?



your PAPERS! got a driver's license? SHOW IT! it's the law. amusing you seem to think that's some Gestapo tactic when it's the law and happens thousands of times every day.



still waiting for you or anyone else to prove why this is any different than any number of former presidents? Obama? Clinton? Bush?



still waiting.


the difference is Trump is doing it, the same as other presidents where no one then rioted, opposed ICE or held demonstrations over it


your contention is purely TDS motivated and by the way even tourists let alone illegals are subject to US law while in the US. so if they commit crimes and not just being illegal why should these people be allowed to remain? it's instant grounds for deportation. like many other presidents all have the authority to do.


you oppose this only because it's Trump. in your 50 years where was your outrage then? pretty sure you supported it. Yes?

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

what's the first thing cops ask for in a traffic stop?

your PAPERS! got a driver's license? SHOW IT! it's the law. amusing you seem to think that's some Gestapo tactic when it's the law and happens thousands of times every day.

still waiting for you or anyone else to prove why this is any different than any number of former presidents? Obama? Clinton?

I’m afraid that you are being intentionally misleading. Police can only demand your identification if they have probable cause. A traffic stop usually dictates a traffic violation which can require identification to determine the driver’s legal authorization to drive a vehicle.

One can refuse to comply with a demand for identification if an officer can’t provide a legal reason for asking.

It’s unconstitutional to simply take people into custody simply because they look a certain way. That’s the kind of thing that happens in places like China or Russia or Iran.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

you oppose this only because it's Trump. in your 50 years where was your outrage then? pretty sure you supported it. Yes?

50 years ago? Heck, he supported it a few months ago. Here's what eye posted back in November 2024, before his TDS kicked in:

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Relative to deportations- I'd prefer that if you overstay your visa, you've got to report to immigration within 30 days or face an immediate and permanent removal from the USA. Further, if you are caught here without ever having a visa, you're immediately put in detainment and exported back to your country of origin and not allowed to come back ever. Breaking immigration laws is not to be tolerated at all.

Here's what he posted in May 2005:

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Nobody wants illegals here who are in violation of a visa, asylum or a green card applicant. If you are here and are in violation- get the fuck out. I'd say 99.99% of all americans, dems or republicans would agree.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Per your request- I don't want to abolish ICE....

Well, thanks for responding! That makes you a better man than jayzee!

Even though he is a lawyer, I agree with this guy...

Do you?


ICE, Minneapolis and the Rule of Law

Local officials encourage obstruction of federal agents and have now filed a meritless lawsuit.

By George J. Terwilliger III
Jan. 13, 2026 5:13 pm ET


The state of Minnesota and the cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul filed a lawsuit Monday against Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and other Trump administration officials, arguing that the surge of Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents into the state is unconstitutional. Minneapolis had already sued to prevent the administration from cutting off federal aid on account of its “sanctuary city” policy. Last week, after an ICE agent shot and killed a civilian who was driving her car in his direction, Mayor Jacob Frey demanded that ICE “get the f— out” of Minneapolis.

Whatever the politics of all this, the legal merits are strongly on the administration’s side. The notion that a city makes itself a “sanctuary” by welcoming, embracing and protecting illegal aliens who are violent criminals does violence to the English language and to innocent residents trying to live and work there in peace. Mr. Frey, along with state and local officials and community “activists” in other “sanctuary” cities like Chicago and Portland, Ore., accuse the Trump administration of abandoning the rule of law, while they themselves flout the law by encouraging civilians to interfere with federal law-enforcement operations and ordering the local police to stand down.

In reality, the deportation initiative is comfortably within the rule of law. ICE agents’ presence in Minneapolis is undoubtedly lawful and consistent with the constitutional division of power between states and the federal government. Congress has enacted “necessary and proper” laws (under the Constitution’s Article I, Section 8) that govern when and under what circumstances aliens may enter or remain in the U.S. The ICE agents’ purpose in Minneapolis is to exercise that lawful authority as they carry out the constitutional mandate (in Article II, Section 3) that the president “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” Neither the Constitution nor any statute provides cities and states any authority over immigration matters, rendering sanctuary-city policies legally feckless. They exist only because some officials are willing to exploit the presence of illegal aliens for political gain.

Moreover, the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article VI, Clause 2) forecloses Mr. Frey and his fellow exploiters from directing how ICE and any other federal enforcement officials perform their duties. Chief Justice John Marshall ruled in McCulloch v. Maryland (1819) that “the states have no power . . . to retard, impede, burden, or in any manner control, the operations . . . vested in the general government.” These aren’t abstract legal theories; they are fundamental precepts of our federalist system.

By engaging in anti-federal-law-enforcement rhetoric to whip up political support, Mr. Frey and local officials elsewhere have incited violent attacks on federal law-enforcement agents, courthouses and equipment. The mayor didn’t drive Renee Good to her fatal encounter, but he paved the way with rhetoric signaling to his residents that impairing federal operations, even by obstructing them, wasn’t merely allowed but encouraged.

Common sense would dictate restraint in the anti-ICE rhetoric, lest it occasion any more civilian interference with lawful enforcement functions with tragic results. But Mr. Frey has kept it up. At the Monday press conference announcing the lawsuit, he vowed that “we will continue to push back with everything we got” and praised the “heroes” who are “standing by the neighbors that they love,” and added: “One thing I can tell you for certain is that we aren’t backing down.”

That the ICE agents were lawfully present in Minneapolis and entitled to carry out their lawful functions without local interference doesn’t justify the agent’s use of deadly force. An investigation to assess whether the use of deadly force was legally justified is necessary. The FBI has a role under law. But by excluding the locals, the FBI has now occasioned the public to question who should be doing that investigation.

A homicide occurred within the state authorities’ jurisdiction. That gives those authorities a vital interest in the investigation. If the agent’s conduct was part of or related to his official duties, then he would be immune under the Supremacy Clause from state prosecution. If he acted outside those duties, he could lose that protection and be subject to state jurisdiction. In either case, constitutional standards for use of deadly force by a law enforcement officer will be the measure of his actions.

Sad to say, the FBI’s reputation for probity and integrity has been impaired by years of questionable leadership and is in need of repair. Excluding the state authorities from an investigation where the law gives them co-jurisdiction over the conduct of both the agent and the deceased doesn’t enhance that reputation and may harm public confidence in the investigation’s integrity. Welcoming state law-enforcement authorities to participate seems a more sensible course, one that could sidestep jurisdictional wrangling by local politicians looking for a new fight with the administration.

The Constitution gives the president discretion to direct immigration enforcement. The deportation crackdown has solid legal roots and initially enjoyed strong public support, especially after the lawless pandemonium of the Biden open border. But the administration also needs to take care to do it right and not squander political capital by acting outside the public perception of common sense even if it is acting lawfully.

Could it be that the push to post deportation numbers is resulting in overzealous efforts to harvest low-hanging fruit by snatching aliens at work in farms, at restaurants and on construction sites while dangerous criminals remain at large in less visible places? Where the electorate remains closely divided, with independents prone to shifting allegiances, the rules of politics may impose a more demanding standard than the rule of law.

Just as the federal agents’ lawful presence in the cities isn’t a justification for the use of unnecessary force, objection to their presence on policy grounds provides no justification for civilian interference in their operations, or for local officials to leave them bereft of local law-enforcement help when that occurs. The administration has a duty to protect its agents from violence. If state and local officials mean what they say about the rule of law, they will draw the line there and provide protective support—even if they disagree with national immigration policy. The failure to do so will encourage more interference and violence and necessitate stepped-up measures by the administration to protect federal personnel and property.

Rather than ratchet up their rhetoric, state and local officials have a responsibility to dial it back and make clear that if the rule of law is to prevail, no level of government can tolerate efforts to impede and interfere with lawful government functions.

Mr. Terwilliger is a Washington lawyer. He served as deputy U.S. attorney general, 1991-93.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/ice-minn...-law-9b8b1410?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

It’s unconstitutional to simply take people into custody simply because they look a certain way. That’s the kind of thing that happens in places like China or Russia or Iran.

Except that's not what is happening and you know it.

Even the Washington Post has reported close to 70% of ICE arrests under Trump have been either 1) immigrants convicted of a crime (staying in the US after a final deportation order is a crime) or 2) immigrants charged, but not yet convicted, of a crime.

But hey, keep saying it's all based on skin color. Pathetic.

[jayzee43]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I’m afraid that you are being intentionally misleading. Police can only demand your identification if they have probable cause. A traffic stop usually dictates a traffic violation which can require identification to determine the driver’s legal authorization to drive a vehicle.

One can refuse to comply with a demand for identification if an officer can’t provide a legal reason for asking.

It’s unconstitutional to simply take people into custody simply because they look a certain way. That’s the kind of thing that happens in places like China or Russia or Iran.

It would be considered intentionally misleading, but he doesn't know any of this stuff. As is, he's just wrong.

MAGAs love the trump police state, where untrained, trigger-happy incels get to terrorize anyone who doesn't look like they do. They think that's what "America First" means.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Except that's not what is happening and you know it.

Even the Washington Post has reported close to 70% of ICE arrests under Trump have been either 1) immigrants convicted of a crime (staying in the US after a final deportation order is a crime) or 2) immigrants charged, but not yet convicted, of a crime.

But hey, keep saying it's all based on skin color. Pathetic.

It’s based upon skin color more often than you would like to believe. Read the article below by clicking the link provided.

https://www.propublica.org/article/i...d-against-will

We Found That More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They’ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days.

When the Supreme Court recently allowed immigration agents in the Los Angeles area to take race into consideration during sweeps, Justice Brett Kavanaugh said that citizens shouldn’t be concerned.

“If the officers learn that the individual they stopped is a U.S. citizen or otherwise lawfully in the United States,” Kavanaugh wrote, “they promptly let the individual go.”

But that is far from the reality many citizens have experienced. Americans have been dragged, tackled, beaten, tased and shot by immigration agents. They’ve had their necks kneeled on. They’ve been held outside in the rain while in their underwear. At least three citizens were pregnant when agents detained them. One of those women had already had the door of her home blown off while Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem watched.

About two dozen Americans have said they were held for more than a day without being able to phone lawyers or loved ones.

Videos of U.S. citizens being mistreated by immigration agents have filled social media feeds, but there is little clarity on the overall picture. The government does not track how often immigration agents hold Americans.

[HDGristle]

Nothing great about that at all

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

what's the first thing cops ask for in a traffic stop?

I personally get asked why I'm so fucking handsome and do you know why I stopped you? NOT about my papers. -

your PAPERS! got a driver's license? SHOW IT! it's the law. amusing you seem to think that's some Gestapo tactic when it's the law and happens thousands of times every day.

still waiting for you or anyone else to prove why this is any different than any number of former presidents? Obama? Clinton? Bush?

the difference is Trump is doing it, (the results are not necessarily different in number of deporations, but the method is 100% different, with hidden Identification, use of military /swat /riot gear / and disruption of entire cities. Not like maybe going to just one location of a suspected employer of foreign illegal workers) the same as other presidents where no one then rioted, opposed ICE or held demonstrations over it ....your contention is purely TDS motivated and by the way even tourists let alone illegals are subject to US law while in the US. so if they commit crimes and not just being illegal why should these people be allowed to remain? it's instant grounds for deportation. like many other presidents all have the authority to do.

Funny- I don't recall the goon-squads from Reagan, Bush, Obama sending in masked federal agents who shot up citizens in the process of rounding up people with no prior crimes- etc., but do recall them deporting people after they were processed and were given opportunity to both claim asylum and be heard by a judge. These current deportee's get none of that based on reporting. If you're here- you are hopped on a bus and shown to a receiving country. That doesn't seem right. no Habeas Corpus.

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

You had this same position when democrat Clinton and then democrat Obama had many, many deportations, correct?

Originally Posted by lustylad

Except that's not what is happening and you know it.

Even the Washington Post has reported close to 70% of ICE arrests under Trump have been either 1) immigrants convicted of a crime (staying in the US after a final deportation order is a crime) or 2) immigrants charged, but not yet convicted, of a crime.

But hey, keep saying it's all based on skin color. Pathetic.

70% of ICE immigrants have NOT had any crime other than overstaying a visa or being undocumented which is a fuckin misdemeanor. This hobby board is full of 100% of misdemeanor particpators by proxy. So that's a full on laugh bro.


I haven't changed my stance on deportations in any way. I don't want illegals here, but I dont' think that they deserve to have the protections that the US is supposed to give them taken away without consideration or cavalierly. Q. If ICE can take away the 4th amendment rights from them; how big a jump is it to do it to you or me?? A. Not far at all.

The President may not like that he has to follow the law, and RedHats cheer him on while he breaks law after law, but there are others who do care. People who see it as a slippery slope to authoratarianism- and I think we already there in some respects.

[jayzee43]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

It’s based upon skin color more often than you would like to believe. Read the article below by clicking the link provided.

https://www.propublica.org/article/i...d-against-will

It's only about skin color. Same reason trump publicly pines for immigrants from Norway: skin color.

It's insulting to suggest it's about anything else.

Everyone knows it's about skin color, but many will never admit it. That would require them admitting the same thing about themselves.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

We Found That More Than 170 U.S. Citizens Have Been Held by Immigration Agents. They’ve Been Kicked, Dragged and Detained for Days. .......(sic) is far from the reality many citizens have experienced. Americans have been dragged, tackled, beaten, tased and shot by immigration agents. They’ve had their necks kneeled on. They’ve been held outside in the rain while in their underwear. At least three citizens were pregnant when agents detained them. One of those women had already had the door of her home blown off while Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem watched.

About two dozen Americans have said they were held for more than a day without being able to phone lawyers or loved ones.

The exact authoritarian regime that I've been referencing in my posts. THis is total bullshit to treat humans with boot kicking and kneeling on necks, being shot at, or tased.

It's not required.

It's all overkill for a show----to just one group.

I won't mention the affiliation, but they all wear a hat with lettering on it, and it's red.