Remembering this date five years ago.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I find it highly disturbing that so many people are willing to disregard the evidence of an insurrection merely because they were so bad at it.

The truth of the matter is that the Trump, assisted by many, pushed a false narrative of a stolen election through the use of “fixed” voting machines.

His claims, amplified by the FOX network, convinced republicans every where to not just show up at the Capital on January 6th but to activate the electoral machinery in many states to provide a slate of alternate electors whom he was going to use to overturn the results of a free and fair election.

All this culminated with a riot at the capitol building with the clear intention of stopping the process of confirming the results of the election and installing Biden as President.

Just because the attempt failed doesn’t mean that the rioters on January 6th weren’t engaging in an insurrection. It certainly doesn’t mean that Trump isn’t guilty of being the instigator of the crime.

Yet they continue to deny, excuse, minimize and lie about it.

If Trump has done anything in the wake of this, it's been to relieve overcrowding at some federal correctional facilities.

[Tiny]

The Democrats want to incarcerate the January 6 protestors and rioters. The Republicans want to incarcerate the Black Lives Matter and ANTIFA crowd. Democrats would jail all the Republicans, and vice versa. Republicans want to imprison young black men and Democrats want to do the same to white businessmen.

They need to think about who's going to pay the taxes when they put half the taxpayers in jail. The USA has the 4th highest incarceration rate in the world, after El Salvador, Cuba and Rwanda. We have about 2.5X more people in jail per capita than Venezuela or Iran. Thirty-three percent of African American males have felony convictions. Try getting a good job with one of those.

Our criminal justice system is out of control. Don't we have enough people behind bars already? Why put nonviolent January 6 participants in jail? Or give Tina Peters, the Mesa County, Colorado Clerk, 9 years for allowing unauthorized personnel to look for fraud related to the 2024 election?

TxDot brings up some strong points, although IMHO they're more related to events and actions around January 6, like alternate electors, instead of January 6 itself. John Eastman, Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell never spent a night in jail. Maybe they should have.

Certainly Merrick Garland and Jack Smith should have moved faster. I wouldn't favor jailing an ex-president, but maybe a little time in an ankle bracelet at Mar a Lago would have been a good idea. I understand the food is pretty good there. It would have made the 2024 election even more entertaining!

Meanwhile poor, deluded people like the Shaman got the book thrown at them.

[elghund]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The Democrats want to incarcerate the January 6 protestors and rioters. The Republicans want to incarcerate the Black Lives Matter and ANTIFA crowd. Democrats would jail all the Republicans, and vice versa. Republicans want to imprison young black men and Democrats want to do the same to white businessmen.

They need to think about who's going to pay the taxes when they put half the taxpayers in jail. The USA has the 4th highest incarceration rate in the world, after El Salvador, Cuba and Rwanda. We have about 2.5X more people in jail per capita than Venezuela or Iran. Thirty-three percent of African American males have felony convictions. Try getting a good job with one of those.

Our criminal justice system is out of control. Why put nonviolent January 6 participants in jail? Or give Tina Peters, the Mesa County, Colorado Clerk, 9 years for allowing unauthorized personnel to look for fraud related to the 2024 election?

TxDot brings up some strong points, although they're more related to events and actions around January 6, like alternate electors, instead of January 6 itself. John Eastman, Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell never spent a night in jail. Maybe they should have. Certainly Merrick Garland and Jack Smith should have moved faster. I wouldn't favor jailing an ex-president, but maybe a little time in an ankle bracelet at Mar a Lago would have been a good idea. I understand the food is pretty good there. Meanwhile poor, deluded people like the Shaman got the book thrown at them.

In other words, we need to get Politicians, Politics and Political appointees out of law enforcement.

elg…..

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I find it highly disturbing that so many people are willing to disregard the evidence of an insurrection merely because they were so bad at it.

The truth of the matter is that the Trump, assisted by many, pushed a false narrative of a stolen election through the use of “fixed” voting machines.

His claims, amplified by the FOX network, convinced republicans every where to not just show up at the Capital on January 6th but to activate the electoral machinery in many states to provide a slate of alternate electors whom he was going to use to overturn the results of a free and fair election.

All this culminated with a riot at the capitol building with the clear intention of stopping the process of confirming the results of the election and installing Biden as President.

Just because the attempt failed doesn’t mean that the rioters on January 6th weren’t engaging in an insurrection. It certainly doesn’t mean that Trump isn’t guilty of being the instigator of the crime.

your evidence is a potato to others it's a tomato


see how that works?


and alternate electors/electors voting against their state results has been an issue almost from the beginning of the electoral college process.


if that is one of your "it was an insurrection" criteria then was it an insurrection in 2016 when democrats and some republicans urged electors not to vote for Trump? you know that happened and a small group and mainly Colorado i recall tried to do exactly that.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The Democrats want to incarcerate the January 6 protestors and rioters. The Republicans want to incarcerate the Black Lives Matter and ANTIFA crowd. Democrats would jail all the Republicans, and vice versa. Republicans want to imprison young black men and Democrats want to do the same to white businessmen.

Meanwhile poor, deluded people like the Shaman got the book thrown at them.

I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. Tiny is correct in the fact that the US jails individuals at higher rates and for longer sentences than most. But there is a giant difference between jailing someone for 20 years for buying and selling (forbidden topic), and someone who got 41 months for attempting to overturn an election.

The Shaman may have been deluded but serving 16 months for participating in an attempt to overturn the state is not egregious at all.

The people who really failed in the aftermath of January 6th is the Republican Senate. By failing to impeach Donald Trump for his part in the attempted insurrection they basically told their constituents that our democracy is less important than their own political power. They had the responsibility to put the constitution and our democracy above the political fray and they just didn’t do it.

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

and alternate electors/electors voting against their state results has been an issue almost from the beginning of the electoral college process.

if that is one of your "it was an insurrection" criteria then was it an insurrection in 2016 when democrats and some republicans urged electors not to vote for Trump? you know that happened and a small group and mainly Colorado i recall tried to do exactly that.

There is a huge difference between what happened in 2016 and what Trump and the MAGA party tried to do in 2020.

In 2016 some approved electors tried to vote for a candidate who lost the popular vote. So called faithless electors.

In 2020 Trump attempted to replace the current electors with ones who would vote him into office. It’s called trying to steal the election. Read up on it by clicking the link below.

Trump fake electors plot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

The Trump fake electors plot was an attempt by U.S. president Donald Trump and associates to have him remain in power after losing the 2020 United States presidential election.

After the results of the election determined Trump had lost, he, his associates, and Republican Party officials in seven battleground states – Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin – devised a scheme to submit fraudulent certificates of ascertainment to falsely claim Trump had won the Electoral College vote in crucial states.

The plot was one of Trump and his associates' attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election.

[Salty Again]

... Hee Hee! ... ... There was NO scheme and NO fraudulent
certificates - just slates of Alternate Electors - in case the
Judges put a pause on the Certification.

... Just as Maxine Waters and the Dems tryed to do at the
2016 Election Certification. ... Where VP Biden surely gaveled
her down and basically told her to piss off...

... How soon you liberal lads forget yer-own Certification history.

And look - 5 years from "5 years ago" - and Trump is again President! ..

#### Salty

[Mort Watt]

Man, txdot is on a roll here, punching above even his impressive weight.

Gotta comment on one thing he said: Tiny, I too cannot tell if you're joking. I think not, though, overall. And it is disappointing

As said, how "effective" they were in this is not the point. They entered the Capitol forcefully, assaulted police officers, and attempted to obstruct the legal transfer of power.

It is the very IDEA of what happened that is the issue. And whether some of these dumb motherfuckers got caught up in the moment and didn't fully understand what they were doing is irrelevant.

.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Mort Watt

Man, txdot is on a roll here, punching above even his impressive weight.

Gotta comment on one thing he said: Tiny, I too cannot tell if you're joking. I think not, though, overall. And it is disappointing

As said, how "effective" they were in this is not the point. They entered the Capitol forcefully, assaulted police officers, and attempted to obstruct the legal transfer of power.

It is the very IDEA of what happened that is the issue. And whether some of these dumb motherfuckers got caught up in the moment and didn't fully understand what they were doing is irrelevant.

.

... But - ALL "water below the bridge" there, mate.

... They've been PARDONED, remember? ... Case Closed. ...

#### Salty

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Hee Hee! ... ... There was NO scheme and NO fraudulent
certificates - just slates of Alternate Electors - in case the
Judges put a pause on the Certification.

... Just as Maxine Waters and the Dems tryed to do at the
2016 Election Certification. ... Where VP Biden surely gaveled
her down and basically told her to piss off...

... How soon you liberal lads forget yer-own Certification history.

And look - 5 years from "5 years ago" - and Trump is again President! ..

#### Salty

Horse manure.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... But - ALL "water below the bridge" there, mate.

... They've been PARDONED, remember? ... Case Closed. ...

#### Salty

Who will pardon Trump? That case is ongoing.

[Mort Watt]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... But - ALL "water below the bridge" there, mate.

... They've been PARDONED, remember? ... Case Closed. ...

Legally. Morally...not at all.

Trump denigrates the country and the legal system.

Supported people who assaulted police officers.

MAGA voted for him and put him in the position to do so.

And then supported him doing this. Gutlessly. Like loyal fascist adherents do....

For those with a conscience about this, it is far from over.

We will never allow anyone to forget that this was done.

And we aren't going to let MAGA get away with lying about this either. Never.

.

[pxmcc]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Horse manure.




Who will pardon Trump? That case is ongoing.

treason has no SOL. seditious conspiracy is 5 years. but the clock only starts after the last offense. watch what Trump does in 2028. if that fat orange fuck is still alive, he'll never surrender power willingly.

self-dealing pardons aren't legal, btw, so those Jan 6 pardons of Trump's private militia on perpetual standby may amount to seditious conspiracy, providing a fresh 24 second shot clock.

#shameonMerrickGarland..
#jailedthesheepnottheshepherd. .
#unleashthekrakenakajacksmith. .

[elghund]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... But - ALL "water below the bridge" there, mate.

... They've been PARDONED, remember? ... Case Closed. ...

#### Salty

Pardoned=Guilty of a crime, simply forgiven by the
President….which power is granted under the Constitution.

January 6th insurrectionists are guilty, no matter how many pardons they get.

Remember……Pardoned =GUILTY. And for normal Americans, those people will never be forgiven.

elg……

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. Tiny is correct in the fact that the US jails individuals at higher rates and for longer sentences than most. But there is a giant difference between jailing someone for 20 years for buying and selling (forbidden topic), and someone who got 41 months for attempting to overturn an election.

The Shaman may have been deluded but serving 16 months for participating in an attempt to overturn the state is not egregious at all.

I’m not joking. Yeah I’m exaggerating.

I’ve defended nonviolent ANTIFA members and BLM protestors here too. In fact, if one of them blew up an empty car, knowing no one was in it, I wouldn’t give him 41 months.

And I have more sympathy for the Korean businessman whose store is destroyed in a protest than I do for the bozos in the Capitol building. The majority sit around all day thinking of ways to screw the rest of us and steal more of our money.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

treason has no SOL. seditious conspiracy is 5 years. but the clock only starts after the last offense. watch what Trump does in 2028. if that fat orange fuck is still alive, he'll never surrender power willingly.

self-dealing pardons aren't legal, btw, so those Jan 6 pardons of Trump's private militia on perpetual standby may amount to seditious conspiracy, providing a fresh 24 second shot clock.

#shameonMerrickGarland..
#jailedthesheepnottheshepherd. .
#unleashthekrakenakajacksmith. .

What are the chances he commits any major crimes?

Also, hasn’t he asked for all Biden’s pardons and EOs to be overturned?

More remarkable behavior.

Fuck I don’t care if it’s a reaction to a bucket of KFC that brings him down. Just as long as he goes and takes his fascist buddies with him.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I’m not joking. Yeah I’m exaggerating.

I’ve defended nonviolent ANTIFA members and BLM protestors here too. In fact, if one of them blew up an empty car, knowing no one was in it, I wouldn’t give him 41 months.

And I have more sympathy for the Korean businessman whose store is destroyed in a protest than I do for the bozos in the Capitol building. The majority sit around all day thinking of ways to screw the rest of us and steal more of our money.

Well it’s hard to argue against that. And for most I would agree. However Trump’s blanket pardon for every person and his attempt to rewrite the history of what happened that day is both ethically and morally wrong.