Protester storm Church

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

There is a way out. But it requires that ICE leaves, reassess, and then comes back with out the aggressive behavior and after enough time to allow the tension to subside.

Somehow I don’t think that the Trump administration is going to do that.

As much as you'd like all that to be true, it's not. I'm more inclined to think that the reaction of the locals would not change regardless of any change in tactics by ICE. Clearly the actions of the "protestors" are not peaceful assembly and there's no evidence to suggest it would indeed change. They aren't reacting to tactics as much as the basic mission of removing illegals. IMO

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by elghund

This country was founded on division between church and state.each needs to stay OUTof the others turf.

As a suggestion, if a church wants to become involved in politics, they should lose the tax exemption they have been gifted.

elg….

Separation of church and state doesn't forbid a pastor or congregation from talking about religion. That's called freedom of speech.
What it does prohibit is the state shoving a particular flavor of religion down the throats of the citizenry.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Ducbutter

As much as you'd like all that to be true, it's not. I'm more inclined to think that the reaction of the locals would not change regardless of any change in tactics by ICE. Clearly the actions of the "protestors" are not peaceful assembly and there's no evidence to suggest it would indeed change. They aren't reacting to tactics as much as the basic mission of removing illegals. IMO

And the solution is to bring in more ICE agents and to ramp up the very behavior that the protesters are protesting against.

You are stating that the protesters are not peacefully demonstrating but that’s clearly not the whole story.

The majority of the protests are peaceful. They tend to devolve into violence when the ICE agents get involved. If they backed off and the administration stopped its violent rhetoric then people would have the opportunity to calm down. Nobody wants to be outside protesting in subzero weather. The fact that they are just shows how important it is to the people of Minneapolis.

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

And the solution is to bring in more ICE agents and to ramp up the very behavior that the protesters are protesting against.

You are stating that the protesters are not peacefully demonstrating but that’s clearly not the whole story.

The majority of the protests are peaceful. They tend to devolve into violence when the ICE agents get involved. If they backed off and the administration stopped its violent rhetoric then people would have the opportunity to calm down. Nobody wants to be outside protesting in subzero weather. The fact that they are just shows how important it is to the people of Minneapolis.

I never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth. Or anything else for that matter!

Nothing justifies any sort of violent actions by the protestors. Nothing!

Jan. 6th was mostly peaceful too. Are you okay with that?

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Ducbutter

I never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth. Or anything else for that matter!

Nothing justifies any sort of violent actions by the protestors. Nothing!

Jan. 6th was mostly peaceful too. Are you okay with that?

The Capital police backed off after congress was evacuated. It’s called de-escalation. I do agree with you that violence by protesters or violence by the authorities is usually unjustified. I also think protesting in a church is unjustified. I don’t think it’s a crime unless they fail to leave when asked to.

Is it your position that the ICE agents are blameless in this situation?

A judge disagrees.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/0...tests-00735416

Judge limits ICE’s crowd control tactics following Minneapolis shooting

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The Capital police backed off after congress was evacuated. It’s called de-escalation. I do agree with you that violence by protesters or violence by the authorities is usually unjustified. I also think protesting in a church is unjustified. I don’t think it’s a crime unless they fail to leave when asked to.

Is it your position that the ICE agents are blameless in this situation?

A judge disagrees.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/0...tests-00735416

Judge limits ICE’s crowd control tactics following Minneapolis shooting

I never said ICE was blameless either. In fact I said in another thread that I believe that the first round fired by the officer in the Good shooting was justifiable but the follow ups are questionable, in so many words. I believe it was Vita's comments that I said I agreed with. With that said there's still no justification for any violent acts, no matter how minor, against ICE agents.

[ICU 812]

There are churches in the San Antonio area with hard conflicts of policy and philosophy when it comes to storming a church service. In the past decade, there have been more than one instance of murdrous violence during church services.


as a Christian, how does one immediately deal with a mass shooting in progress?

The Minneapolis "protest" was thankfully non violent in that no one was hurt. I wonder what might have been the case in a Texas church though.

And I do not know .

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The Capital police backed off after congress was evacuated. It’s called de-escalation. I do agree with you that violence by protesters or violence by the authorities is usually unjustified. I also think protesting in a church is unjustified. I don’t think it’s a crime unless they fail to leave when asked to.

Is it your position that the ICE agents are blameless in this situation?

A judge disagrees.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/0...tests-00735416

Judge limits ICE’s crowd control tactics following Minneapolis shooting

My recollection of the Ferguson riots is that the authorities "backed off" and the city burned. The same thing happened during the George Floyd riots of 2020 when cities burned across the nation.

Often, deescalation only encourages more lawlessness.

[RX792P]

Seems fair to me...

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2026...sacred-spaces/

On Wednesday’s “PBS NewsHour,” St. Paul Mayor Kaohly Her criticized protesters for barging into a church in the city, and stated that “if there’s going to be a call for respecting sacred spaces, then our federal government and the agents of the federal government should be respecting those sacred spaces as well. That is the only way that we’re going to bring calm and order back to our city, is if everyone, on both sides of the spectrum, agree[s], that they are going to respect sacred spaces.”

AG Pam Bondi

WE WILL PROTECT OUR HOUSES OF WORSHIP

Note
As of January 2026, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has officially rescinded the policy that previously designated churches as "protected areas" or "sensitive locations," where immigration enforcement was generally prohibited.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

My recollection of the Ferguson riots is that the authorities "backed off" and the city burned. The same thing happened during the George Floyd riots of 2020 when cities burned across the nation.

Often, deescalation only encourages more lawlessness.

Idk what church instances occurred in Ferguson but it sure showed how people were only going to accept one verdict. And when it didn't happen *AND* when the prosecutor released *ALL* evidence of the trial, the crowd still rioted without seeing why the verdict was rendered with the evidence at hand.

[RX792P]

And the Trump administration wonders why some question them?

The White House has confirmed that it posted a fake arrest image of a Minnesota protester to its official X account Thursday.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

if you say so



oh look! Don "Lemon Juicer" Lemon better find a sanctuary women's restroom to hide out in!



DOJ to Investigate and Arrest Don Lemon and Minneapolis Church Stormers

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/joseph...rmers-n2669725


The Department of Justice has announced that they will be arresting Don Lemon and open investigations into the storming of Cities Church in St. Paul, Minnesota.


Lemon will reportedly be arrested by the Trump administration under the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act and the Ku Klux Klan Act.


“The Klan Act is one of the most important federal civil rights statutes,” said Civil Rights Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dhillon on The Benny Johnson Show. It's a law that makes it illegal to terrorize and violate the civil rights of citizens. Whenever people conspire this, the Klan Act can be used.”


https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/20...rmers-n2669725


BREAKING: DOJ Announces Intention to Charge Don Lemon under the Ku Klux Klan Act.



The KKK Act makes it illegal to threaten, hurt, or intimidate people to prevent them from exercising their God-given rights.


HARMEET DHILLON: "The Klan Act is one of the most important federal civil rights statutes. Its a law that makes it illegal to terrorize and violate the civil rights of citizens.


Whenever people conspire this, the Klan Act can be used." "Everyone in the protest community needs to know that the fullest force of the federal government is going to come down and prevent this from happening and put people away for a long time."


“Don Lemon himself has come out and said he knew exactly what was going to happen in that facility,” Dhillon continued. “He went into the facility, and then he began, quote-unquote, committing journalism, as if that is some sort of shield from being a part—an embedded part of a criminal conspiracy.”


Dhillon then confirmed that her office would begin launching investigations into those who took part in the storming of Cities Church after learning the pastor served as a local ICE official, and issued a warning for any would-be copycats.


“Come next Sunday, nobody in the United States should think that they’re going to be able to get away with this,” Dhillon finished. “Everyone in the protest community needs to know that the fullest force of the federal government is going to come down and prevent this from happening, and put people away for a long long time.”


Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche didn’t pull any punches from the lack of response from Democrat leaders in the state, saying: “people [are] going to worship, and they are stormed by anti-law enforcement, anti-Christian rioters. Today, [Gov. Tim Walz] just throws his hands up and says ‘oh, I’ve always said you should peacefully protest. That is just completely made up.


Don "Lemon Juicer" Lemon is a fugitive from justice!



BAHHAHAAAAA

Strike One....

A federal magistrate judge on Thursday rejected the Justice Department’s attempt to bring charges against former CNN anchor Don Lemon in connection with Sunday’s anti-ICE protest at a Minnesota church, Fox News Digital has learned.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by RX792P

Strike One....

A federal magistrate judge on Thursday rejected the Justice Department’s attempt to bring charges against former CNN anchor Don Lemon in connection with Sunday’s anti-ICE protest at a Minnesota church, Fox News Digital has learned.

______________________________ _____

... Blimey! ... Now that's good news! ...

... I'd much rather Don Lemon face Federal Charges
for what he did.

#### Salty

[Precious_b]

Anybody can face any charges.

Proving them is another story.

And for maggies, that is a hard row to hoe.

[RX792P]

I'm sure this is 'fake news' from CBS...

Dozens of faith leaders were arrested while protesting at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport Friday, organizers say, as part of an effort to call for an end to Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrests in the area.

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/ne...ional-airport/