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lustylad · Yesterday, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RX792P

All the NYC/Mamdani stuff is the off topic stuff.

On topic is those 'mental institutions and insane asylums' in Trump's EO show no sign of happening.

The discussion is about helping the mentally ill in this country.

Do you deny that a very high proportion of the homeless population suffers from mental illness and could benefit from real, effective treatment, assuming Mamdani doesn't let them all freeze to death?

RX792P · Yesterday, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lustylad

The discussion is about helping the mentally ill in this country.

Do you deny that a very high proportion of the homeless population suffers from mental illness and could benefit from real, effective treatment, assuming Mamdani doesn't let them all freeze to death?

Need I repeat the original post in this thread?

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BREAKING: President Trump: 'Signed an executive order to bring back mental institutions and insane asylums. We are going to have to bring them back. Hate to build those suckers but you've got to get the people off the streets'

Even if we assume Trump's trying to 'help the mentally ill'

Have there been any concrete actions to 'bring back' any facilities as discussed in Trump's EO? Any funding, any actual plans?
Anything?

Turner2099 · Yesterday, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lustylad

The discussion is about helping the mentally ill in this country.

Do you deny that a very high proportion of the homeless population suffers from mental illness and could benefit from real, effective treatment, assuming Mamdani doesn't let them all freeze to death?

I read the original post to mean Trump want's to build mental institutions to lock up the mentally ill to get them off the streets. The OP includes those who disagree with Trump in that category. That's not about helping the mentally ill, it's about getting them out of sight. I don't think RX792P is suggesting that the mentally ill don't need help. I think he means (I don't want to put words in your mouth RX792P, so please correct me) that if Trump's EO is actually meant to help the mentally ill homeless population, what's been done about the enacting the EO, which seems to be nothing.

Trump and his GOP have done nothing to help the mentally ill and in fact have done harm with the One Big Beautiful Bills cuts to Medicaid and then his HHS's attempt to cut $2 billion dollars in aid for these same people. That's not GOP bashing and it's on topic because it supports the idea that Trump's EO does nothing to help the homeless and mentally ill.

I do believe that Mamdani is off topic here not only because no one here except maybe the OP (no offense Bambino, but I read your post to promote locking up the mentally ill instead of helping them remain out of institutions) is against helping the mentally ill and homeless, you've only posted headlines from the New York Post, which is not unbiased and leans towards propaganda for the right in my opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if they bash Mamdani on a daily basis.

Considering TDS to be something deserving of being locked up for is a disturbing viewpoint, to me, and was included in the original post. That's also on topic.

lustylad · Yesterday, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rooster

Keep telling yourself alla that.

It is interesting that you would mention the DSM.

Mr. Alpert did too. Well....not really. Other than to say it wasn't in there...meaning it's not real.

Yes. Not real. It just took him a whole buncha gibberish rationale to say it.

Err... no! Your logic is flawed.

Just because a specific psychiatric disorder is not (yet) listed in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) doesn't mean it's not real.

Trump Derangement Symptom (TDS) is evidently real. Otherwise Mr. Alpert would not be seeing so many patients exhibiting the same or similar symptoms. He didn't initiate this phenomenon. As he explains, his patients keep bringing Trump into their therapy sessions. And they do this "not to discuss policy, but to process obsession, rage and dread."

As a professional, Mr. Alpert is committed to helping patients deal with their anxiety, stress and trauma in ways that will allow them to recover so they can live reasonably normal & healthy lives. Fortunately, he found that many of the methods used to treat Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) and Anxiety Disorders (both contained in the DSM) appear to be effective in helping patients cope with psychological and behavioral dysfunctions (such as TDS) grounded in contemporary political or cultural trends.

We should all be grateful to Mr. Alpert for pointing this out. Don't we all share the same goal of wanting to help our fellow Americans lead happy & healthy lives? If your obsession with Donald Trump is keeping you miserable, don't despair. There is a palliative, if not a cure. Go see your local psychotherapist and give him a copy of Mr. Alpert's analysis. The sooner you get started, the sooner you can enjoy life again!

You're welcome!

Turner2099 · Yesterday, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lustylad

Err... no! Your logic is flawed.

Just because a specific psychiatric disorder is not (yet) listed in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) doesn't mean it's not real.

Trump Derangement Symptom (TDS) is evidently real. Otherwise Mr. Alpert would not be seeing so many patients exhibiting the same or similar symptoms. He didn't initiate this phenomenon. As he explains, his patients keep bringing Trump into their therapy sessions. And they do this "not to discuss policy, but to process obsession, rage and dread."

As a professional, Mr. Alpert is committed to helping patients deal with their anxiety, stress and trauma in ways that will allow them to recover so they can live reasonably normal & healthy lives. Fortunately, he found that many of the methods used to treat Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) and Anxiety Disorders (both contained in the DSM) appear to be effective in helping patients cope with psychological and behavioral dysfunctions (such as TDS) grounded in contemporary political or cultural trends.

We should all be grateful to Mr. Alpert for pointing this out. Don't we all share the same goal of wanting to help our fellow Americans lead happy & healthy lives? If your obsession with Donald Trump is keeping you miserable, don't despair. There is a palliative, if not a cure. Go see your local psychotherapist and give him a copy of Mr. Alpert's analysis. The sooner you get started, the sooner you can enjoy life again!

You're welcome!

While Mr Alpert argues that Trump Derangement is a real psychological phenomenon, he also says that 75% of his patients are "hyper-fixated" on Donald Trump and he is apparently interviewed frequently by Fox News. He also writes opinion pieces in the New York Post, another right-wing news source. He has a book coming out and needs to promote it. I think he's biased.

Do you really think 75% of his patients have TDS? That's hyperbole, which has no place in science.

Key reasons professionals do not recognize TDS include:

Political, Not Clinical: The term is primarily used by politicians and media commentators to label intense, often hostile, reactions to Donald Trump’s policies and actions. (Again, Trump throws this term around as easily as "Fake News")

Lack of Scientific Evidence: No clinical research supports it as a distinct mental disorder, and no recognized criteria exist for diagnosing it.

Not in the DSM: It is not listed in the DSM-5, which is the standard classification system used by mental health professionals in the U.S.

Weaponization of Mental Health: Experts argue that using psychiatric language for political disagreement is a form of stigmatization that devalues actual, recognized mental health conditions. (Sound like something Trump might do?)

Misinterpretation of Distress: While some individuals may exhibit intense, distressed, or irrational reactions to political events, this is generally categorized as severe stress or emotional disruption rather than a specific, new mental illness. (I will admit it is very frustrating when folks won't change their minds or opinions when presented with objective, irrefutable data.)

While some individuals might experience intense emotional reactions or high stress levels regarding political issues, the consensus is that this does not constitute a specific "disorder".

https://www.google.com/search?q=why+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Precious_b · Yesterday, 03:51 PM

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Are you saying every single one of those people that died were mentally ill?

What sane person would choose to freeze to death?

I don't take the mortality tables as required reading over my morning coffee. But since you are listing "sane", I will state that the only people that could claim to having a document that they are sane are the ones released from the looney bin with such a document attached to their name. So, maybe you can tell us if those people were declared one way or another. ESPECIALLY since the headline you post makes no claim to it.

Are you saying that he should have forced those 10 people off the street?

You betcha!

Oh. I'm surprise to hear you are for city/county/state/federal housing for homeless people. You know how maggies are against such programs.

But let's be clear, I do not support involuntary, illegal abduction of people in this country.

Moreso to the point, you must be saying it was demmie politics that caused these 10 people to die?

s Demi Moore one of Mamdani's advisors? You got googly, ima sure you can do that figuring on your own time

... oh wait! You mean "Democrat" politics, dontcha? Naaah... unlike rooster, I try to avoid sweeping generalizations. Pretty sure most "compassionate" and responsible Dems in other cities would NOT have allowed this to happen.

Yes they do. Moreso than maggies do.

I really don't think anyone was checking how people voted to determine who was going to die. Near two dozen people died in Red states and I don't say it was because of politics.

Straw man. If a Republican did this, the headlines would be the same.

Straw man/Paper man/Milk man/ whatever. People have died during this last cold front from red and blue states. Did not check purple.

Homeless people have a choice of staying out or coming to a warming shelter. And those cutting off funding *could* be associated in some way as showing indifference to those needing help.

There are plenty of local laws and ordinances against camping and/or sleeping outdoors in public parks and spaces. Let's start to address the problem by enforcing those laws. Time to push back against the so-called homeless "advocates" and the misguided bleeding-heart "libbies" on City Councils in "demmie" cities. Maybe this will be a catalyst.

Oh. Okay. We'll just pass laws to where they eventually choose to expire out of site and hence out of mind. That'll teach them to inconvenience us in city limits.

But homelessness is another thread to expand on. The point you make with the rag cover is just a subset of the problem.

And don't quote me out of context. Quote the WHOLE sentence. Let me help you there:

"*I* think it is well shown that demmies have displayed clear concern for people with mental illness and such by the bills introduced to help people with such."

Like how you ignored the latter half.

Ok, what "bills" are you claiming would have helped put a dent in the problem? Be specific. Despite nearly everything the "demmies" have done, the homeless problem has only grown worse. In LA, SF, Portland, Seattle, NYC. Do I need to tell you the definition of insanity?

It would be much easier to ask what maggie bills were left in to help. I find none. Maybe you could post them. What good does it do to list the ones maggies yanked out if they have nothing to offer?

And could you respond as I asked, not as you ignored:

"But i invite all the maggies here to show how the party of no is doing more."

Who is the "party of no"? Most people want solutions that work. But I guess you prefer the party of insanity - the one that keeps doing the same thing over & over and expecting a different result?

TxDot got ya covered. Kudos for him to keep abreast of stuff or know how to use googly.

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How about

NO Comity
NO Cooperation
NO Compromise

That’s the good description of the party of NO which started under Newt Gingrich

https://www.brandeis.edu/magazine/20.../gingrich.html
When Partisanship Got Polarized

rooster · Yesterday, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lustylad

The discussion is about helping the mentally ill in this country....

It is not. Read the thread title again, please.

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Originally Posted by lustylad

Err... no! Your logic is flawed.

Just because a specific psychiatric disorder is not (yet) listed in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) doesn't mean it's not real.

Trump Derangement Symptom (TDS) is evidently real. Otherwise Mr. Alpert would not be seeing so many patients exhibiting the same or similar symptoms....

Your refutation is not more firmly validated by the number of words you type.

Nor is your circular argument, stating that because some hack, populist shrink says he sees a bunch of patients for this that it is somehow validation of your argument that this is "real."

And since you bring up the whole issue of "logic"...WHY on Earth would you think the WSJ is the place to go to get some kind of legitimate information about this? Their bias is almost as clear as yours.

It is asinine that I am even giving any time to this.

I suggest you just let this go. Or come back with something real. A peer-vetted, unbiased, legitimate published study or analysis.

Or... you could just post another restatement of the legitimacy of this partisan fucking quack. In that case, we will be done, and you can say "I win!"

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biomed1 · Yesterday, 10:05 PM

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Tiny · Yesterday, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lustylad

Is ‘Trump Derangement Syndrome’ Real?

No therapist would render such a derogatory and partisan diagnosis, but I’ve seen it in my practice.

By Jonathan Alpert
Nov. 12, 2025 4:46 pm ET

Is “Trump derangement syndrome” real? No serious mental-health professional would render such a partisan and derogatory diagnosis. Yet I’ve seen it in my own psychotherapy practice. Patients across the political spectrum have brought Donald Trump into therapy not to discuss policy but to process obsession, rage and dread. Their distress is symptomatic, not ideological...

Alpert's the real deal. And yes, he says 75% of his patients suffer from TDS. Bambino's definition of TDS. I believe Ducbutter's video provides a good example of what's going on.

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Seems like a good place for this. It's only 6 plus minutes.
From Heather Heying. Biology Phd

The majority of his patients, like other therapists', is probably female. They have a lot of disposable income, so they're not single mothers struggling to feed their kids. Given that, what is Trump going to do that would ruin their lives? Maybe for many of Alpert's patients, TDS is indeed a neurosis.

Alpert practices in New York City, which is populated mostly by Democrats. I bet if he were in Wyoming or Oklahoma instead back around, say, 2014, he might have noticed the ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome) was off the scale.

I suffer or have suffered from TDS, BDS, DDS and GDS. Meaning I fear that Trump, Joe Biden, Democrats, and government are going to screw me or my family or friends over. My WDS (Elizabeth Warren Derangement Syndrome) is off the scale. I do not believe these are neuroses though. Rather, I'm mildly paranoid, and only the paranoid survive.

Trump whacked 15% off my net worth with a stroke of his pen this year. Biden would have taken away jobs from friends who work in the oil field in New Mexico and Wyoming, but got shut down by the courts and political reality when he tried to ban drilling on federal leases. So I believe my fears are well founded.

Any immigrant who doesn't have a green card or any employee working on offshore wind projects who has TDS is not necessarily neurotic. He's just facing reality.

Many Manhattan Karen's with psychologists on the other hand probably are.