Voter Fraud - Voter ID - REAL ID

[RX792P]

Related....Voter ID and REAL ID
(full disclosure, I do not have a problem with Voter ID)

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger

"Verification of one's citizenship status is a core requirement in obtaining a REAL ID," he wrote. "Requiring REAL ID at the ballot box, after updating the National Voter Registration Act, would strengthen election security and help ensure that only U.S. citizens vote in U.S. elections."
"REAL ID is the gold standard, and it is reasonable to require it to verify eligibility at the ballot box,"

Sen. Markwayne Mullin
"[What] the SAVE Act does is it just requires people to have an ID, a federal ID, [or] your REAL ID that everybody had to switch [their] driver's license to," said Mullin. "It's the same ID you have to use to sign up for any social federal programs, by the way."

See also the Crane- Cruz EAC letter from Nine Senators and a dozen Members of Congress
https://www.hydesmith.senate.gov/sit...t%20Letter.pdf


REAL ID story:
Congress passed the Real ID Act in 2005 after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, seeking to beef up security surrounding IDs used at airports.

For nearly twenty years, the U.S. government has been telling Americans that their state-issued driver's license or nondriver identification will not be enough to board a domestic flight or enter a federal building, only to have the deadline repeatedly pushed back.

After repeated delays, May 7, 2025 was the enforcement deadline to have identification that meets federal security standards to board a commercial aircraft in the U.S.

And even now, February 2026..the REAL ID requirement is not fully enforced...in January, Noem's TSA established a rule that preemptively gave it the option to push Real ID enforcement to May 5 2027, by which time the Real ID Act of 2005 that established the requirement will be old enough to have a beer at the airport.

Throw in that in 2025, many experienced waits of 60-90 days to get their REAL ID after applying.

An interim 'just pay $45 to use an alternative identity verification system, called TSA ConfirmID' (good for 10 days) went into effect Feb 1 2026.



Would Raffensperger, Mullin and others pushing use of READ ID as voter ID have voters who do not have REAL ID pay $45 for 'alternate confirmation'?

What might the 24th Amendment say about that? Is it a poll tax?

[Salty Again]

... Mr. Raffensperger is just tryin' to save face with whatever's
left of his worthless reputation with HIS Real ID push.

However, CNN's political hero Harry Enten surely touts that
over 83% of Americans support photo Voter ID...

... So, with THAT in-mind, WHY are Democrat politicians AGAINST it??

#### Salty

[ICU 812]

I open my phone with a finger print recognition thingy. When I go to my gym, that is how I log in at the front desk.

"I'm jest sayen . . ."

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

I open my phone with a finger print recognition thingy. When I go to my gym, that is how I log in at the front desk.

"I'm jest sayen . . ."

So all we have to do is get the fingerprints of ALL roughly 175 million registered voters in a national database, plus fingerprints on all new registrations.

Given the 'success' of REAL ID so far, how well do you think that'd work?

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by RX792P

So all we have to do is get the fingerprints of ALL roughly 175 million registered voters in a national database, plus fingerprints on all new registrations.

Given the 'success' of REAL ID so far, how well do you think that'd work?

That would be how one is registered to vote.

Biometrics along with a photo is defiantly the way to go for positive ID.

I once worked in a foreign country. when I got my local DL and ID card, they took a full ten finger set of prints and full palm.

When I turned 16 and got my driver's license in Michigan, I had to show a notarized birth certificate and it was not a big deal in 1967. Today, registering a set of prints shouldn't be that much more.

Anyone who has been in the military in the 21 st Century should have a print set already on record . . .along with a DNA sample.

Most folks who have done online genealogy have given a DNA sample.
If one can get the documents together and show up to get the DL or State ID,, getting a set of prints done shouldn't be any obstacle. Giving up a mouth swab shouldn't either.

[Turner2099]

A REAL ID does not prove citizenship and can be issued to non-citizens. I think a voter ID would be considered a poll tax if it isn't issued for free. I think it would also have to be easily obtained (with the appropriate documentation, of course) or you find yourself in voter suppression territory.

The SAVE Act doesn't require a specific voter ID, just the requirement to prove US citizenship. You can use a driver's license, but you need to include something else that show's where you were born like a birth certificate. The problem there is that many women don't have driver's licenses that match their birth certificates. They need to get passports, passport cards, or change their names. Does that count as a poll tax? Sounds like it unless it's free.

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[RX792P]

You're right..Raffensperger, Mullins and others are misinformed regarding REAL ID.

OTOH, given the 25 year 'overnight success' of REAL ID, it would seem any other national citizenship ID program to vote would see the same fate.

So we're back to basically
- passport
- birth certificate
- a Certificate of Naturalization,

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by RX792P

Related....Voter ID and REAL ID
(full disclosure, I do not have a problem with Voter ID)

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger


Sen. Markwayne Mullin
"[What] the SAVE Act does is it just requires people to have an ID, a federal ID, [or] your REAL ID that everybody had to switch [their] driver's license to," said Mullin. "It's the same ID you have to use to sign up for any social federal programs, by the way."

See also the Crane- Cruz EAC letter from Nine Senators and a dozen Members of Congress
https://www.hydesmith.senate.gov/sit...t%20Letter.pdf


REAL ID story:
Congress passed the Real ID Act in 2005 after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, seeking to beef up security surrounding IDs used at airports.

For nearly twenty years, the U.S. government has been telling Americans that their state-issued driver's license or nondriver identification will not be enough to board a domestic flight or enter a federal building, only to have the deadline repeatedly pushed back.

After repeated delays, May 7, 2025 was the enforcement deadline to have identification that meets federal security standards to board a commercial aircraft in the U.S.

And even now, February 2026..the REAL ID requirement is not fully enforced...in January, Noem's TSA established a rule that preemptively gave it the option to push Real ID enforcement to May 5 2027, by which time the Real ID Act of 2005 that established the requirement will be old enough to have a beer at the airport.

Throw in that in 2025, many experienced waits of 60-90 days to get their REAL ID after applying.

An interim 'just pay $45 to use an alternative identity verification system, called TSA ConfirmID' (good for 10 days) went into effect Feb 1 2026.



Would Raffensperger, Mullin and others pushing use of READ ID as voter ID have voters who do not have REAL ID pay $45 for 'alternate confirmation'?

What might the 24th Amendment say about that? Is it a poll tax?

Which states require REAL ID for voting? In Texas, a driver's license (REAL ID) costs $33 and an ID card costs $16.

Originally Posted by Turner2099

The problem there is that many women don't have driver's licenses that match their birth certificates. They need to get passports, passport cards, or change their names. Does that count as a poll tax? Sounds like it unless it's free.

Why is this a problem? Hypothetically it could be for women in mental institutions and old folks homes. But how many of them are going to get married and vote? Virtually everyone else is going to get an updated ID. They don't and won't have to get passports, passport cards or change their names. They'll pay nominal amounts to get driver's licenses and state ID cards with their new names.

I'd bet in most cases a recently-married woman who hasn't updated her ID and voter registration info could walk into a polling place and cast a normal or provisional ballot with her old ID and marriage certificate.

[Turner2099]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Which states require REAL ID for voting?



Why is this a problem? Hypothetically it could be for women in mental institutions and old folks homes. But how many of them are going to get married and vote? Virtually everyone else is going to get an updated ID. They don't and won't have to get passports, passport cards or change their names. They'll pay nominal amounts to get driver's licenses and state ID cards with their new names.

I'd bet in most cases a recently-married woman who hasn't updated her ID could walk into a polling place and cast a normal or provisional ballot with her old ID and marriage certificate.

The updated ID has her married name, which no longer matches her birth certificate.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Turner2099

The updated ID has her married name, which no longer matches her birth certificate.

I still don't understand your concern. This is what happens in Texas when a woman gets married at present, courtesy of AI. How do you think this will change?

If you change your name after marriage and want your new legal name to appear on your voter registration record, you need to update your voter registration

How your new name gets reflected on voter rolls (especially in Texas)

1. Update your voter registration record
You can update your voter registration with your new name in several ways:

Online through the Texas.gov portal: Use the voter name/address change service on Texas.gov — you’ll need your current Texas driver license or ID, your Social Security number, and your voter registration information (like your VUID).

By mail: You can mail a new voter registration application to your county voter registrar and check the box that indicates you’re updating your registration information.

By letter: You may simply write a letter to your county voter registrar explaining that your name has changed.

On your voter card: In Texas, some people make the change on the back of their current voter registration certificate and mail it in.

Once the county processes the update, your new name will be reflected in the statewide registration database and on future voter information cards or records.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Which states require REAL ID for voting? In Texas, a driver's license (REAL ID) costs $33 and an ID card costs $16.

I'd bet in most cases a recently-married woman who hasn't updated her ID could walk into a polling place and cast a normal or provisional ballot with her old ID and marriage certificate.

The "SAVE" act which is the focus will require proof of citizenship when registering to vote in a federal election, not just when voting.

It appears the act would NOT require all currently registered voters to 're-register' and prove citizenship. So any 'illegal voters' would remain able to vote, at least until/if purged.

What, 36 states have some form of voter ID at the polls.


https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-.../house-bill/22

[Turner2099]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I still don't understand your concern. This is what happens in Texas when a woman gets married at present, courtesy of AI. How do you think this will change?

If you change your name after marriage and want your new legal name to appear on your voter registration record, you need to update your voter registration

How your new name gets reflected on voter rolls (especially in Texas)

1. Update your voter registration record
You can update your voter registration with your new name in several ways:

Online through the Texas.gov portal: Use the voter name/address change service on Texas.gov — you’ll need your current Texas driver license or ID, your Social Security number, and your voter registration information (like your VUID).

By mail: You can mail a new voter registration application to your county voter registrar and check the box that indicates you’re updating your registration information.

By letter: You may simply write a letter to your county voter registrar explaining that your name has changed.

On your voter card: In Texas, some people make the change on the back of their current voter registration certificate and mail it in.

Once the county processes the update, your new name will be reflected in the statewide registration database and on future voter information cards or records.

That's a good point, but the issue will still come up if and when a woman moves. While the SAVE Act doesn't require an immediate re-registration when if passes, the requirements look to kick in when someone moves.

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[txdot-guy]

Tiny, you make an argument that the requirements for obtaining and using a real ID aren’t a real barrier to voting and that the benefits of keeping unauthorized voters away from the polls is worth the cost.

However study after study shows that illegal immigrant voting is practically nonexistent. In other words you are advocating for a solution to a problem that just doesn’t exist.

And that solution does put up a barrier for some people who want to vote but haven’t overcome the barrier or the barrier showed up unexpectedly right before they planned to vote.

This law is regulation for regulation’s sake. It’s a non issue for anyone who rightly believes that the myth of a stolen election is just so much bullshit.

Besides, once we start down this road what keeps either side from just adding more and more requirements down the line.

I refer you to this article from the NYTimes.

https://archive.ph/N4KhF
Initial Review Finds No Widespread Illegal Voting by Migrants, Puncturing a Trump Claim
Republican election officials welcome the review, which relies on a federal verification tool, but they say they have not discovered a major problem when it comes to noncitizen voters.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Tiny, you make an argument that the requirements for obtaining and using a real ID aren’t a real barrier to voting and that the benefits of keeping unauthorized voters away from the polls is worth the cost.

However study after study shows that illegal immigrant voting is practically nonexistent. In other words you are advocating for a solution to a problem that just doesn’t exist.

And that solution does put up a barrier for some people who want to vote but haven’t overcome the barrier or the barrier showed up unexpectedly right before they planned to vote.

This law is regulation for regulation’s sake. It’s a non issue for anyone who rightly believes that the myth of a stolen election is just so much bullshit.

Besides, once we start down this road what keeps either side from just adding more and more requirements down the line.

I refer you to this article from the NYTimes.

https://archive.ph/N4KhF
Initial Review Finds No Widespread Illegal Voting by Migrants, Puncturing a Trump Claim
Republican election officials welcome the review, which relies on a federal verification tool, but they say they have not discovered a major problem when it comes to noncitizen voters.

No TxDot. I don't believe illegal immigrants cast votes in large enough numbers to make a difference in elections. You'd have to be an idiot IMO to cast a vote if you're not a citizen.

Most democratic countries require voter photo ID or equivalent proof of identity when people go to the polls. Blue states like California and New York that don't require documentary ID are outliers.

Support for voter photo ID is overwhelming in the USA - around 80%.

Now, in the age of Trump, why do many Democratic politicians oppose voter ID? Democrats are just as or more motivated to register and go to the polls as Republicans. So it's not that Democrats are preferentially being disenfranchised.

I believe the reason is either because (a) they're misinformed, or (b) they use this issue to rile up the base. More likely "b". Just like some MAGA politicians dredge up and publicize the few instances when illegals vote, some Democratic politicians want people to believe Republicans make it impossible to vote without jumping through hoops.

And what difference does it make if a person has standard ID or real ID? You can vote with either. Someone here said most states don't show citizenship status on real ID, and that's probably correct. The "real" sounds like a red herring.

[RX792P]

Turner 2099 brought up valid point that a REAL ID driver's license nor a REAL ID ID card prove citizenship, but only a legally in the country status. Regardless of state.

My REAL ID TX DL does not include human readable citizenship status.

We've kinda spread out to two versions of 'voter ID'...what's required to register to vote and what's required at the polling place.

- SAVE act requires proof of citizenship (a REAL ID is not suitable) to register. Does not address voter ID at the polling place.
- Most voter ID requirements at the polling place do not include proof of citizenship.

https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identi..._laws_by_state