Tariff Man and his tariff plan cause market plunges

[jayzee43]

Enjoy all this "winning" for approximately 11 more months. Once the midterms are over, so is his reign as Lord Emporer-for-life.

WE'VE PAID FOR 96% OF HIS STUPID TARIFFS. Not other countries. We the People have.

Who cares if gas is cheaper when literally everything else is more expensive now?

[HDGristle]

I can probably name 5 ways we're losing for ever way you want to pretend the tariffs are winning.

So by all means, try

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

I can probably name 5 ways we're losing for ever (sic) way you want to pretend the tariffs are winning.

So by all means, try

Sure you can. When confronted with a win, you can always say "but for the tariffs we would have gotten there sooner" lol.

You're the one who needs to try harder. No matter how hard you try, however, you can't shake your knee-jerk habit of attaching an anti-trump spin to every economic data point that is released, good or bad.

Still think a decline in imports makes GDP grow?

[HDGristle]

I can because I have command of the facts.

As for the GDP claim, adorable misrepresentation, Lusty... but I appreciate the effort. Keep your eyes on the ball.

Please do the reading this time so you don't have to delete yet another post
https://apnews.com/article/trump-eco...219f00a97994f4

[HDGristle]

[bambino]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Sure you can. When confronted with a win, you can always say "but for the tariffs we would have gotten there sooner" lol.

You're the one who needs to try harder. No matter how hard you try, however, you can't shake your knee-jerk habit of attaching an anti-trump spin to every economic data point that is released, good or bad.

Still think a decline in imports makes GDP grow?

Mr Gristle was right about getting to 50,000 sooner. But not for the reason he thinks. If they didn’t steal the 2020 election, Trump would have increased tariffs in 2021. We would have got to 50k during that term!!!!!!!

OOOF


BAHAHAHA

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by bambino

Mr Gristle was right about getting to 50,000 sooner. But not for the reason he thinks. If they didn’t steal the 2020 election, Trump would have increased tariffs in 2021. We would have got to 50k during that term!!!!!!!

OOOF


BAHAHAHA

You REALLY need to do some reading. Tariffs usually have an indirect impact, by increasing input costs and by siphoning dollars that would otherwise be profits or investments, among other things. They're a headwind, not a tailwind.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock...083000866.html

The current stock market is underperforming because of his tariffs, and netting gains in spite of them. With a lot of interesting valuations for AI and AI adjacent companies.

Do you not see that, valued poster?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

I can because I like to distort the facts.

FTFY.

Originally Posted by HDGristle

As for the GDP claim, adorable misrepresentation, Lusty...

Real men don't use words like "adorable", Gristle.

You did tell us this, didn't you:

Originally Posted by HDGristle

When imports drop, doesn't that help make GDP look rosier? It does. Look at the bigger picture.

I wouldn't want to misrepresent you, though. So please feel free to elaborate...

Here's a bread crumb for ya:

C + G + I + (Exp - Imp)

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Please do the reading this time...

https://apnews.com/article/trump-eco...219f00a97994f4

Oh dear! Looks like your so-called AP fact-checker really called out trumpy on this one:

CLAIM: “We have slashed our monthly trade deficit by an astonishing 77%.”

THE FACTS: This claim involves more cherry-picking, reflecting the percentage drop from a very high trade deficit in January 2025, when the president took office, to a super-low deficit in October.


But then, speaking of "cherry-picking", you immediately follow up with a video entitled "US trade deficit explodes 94.7%" lol!

Hey pot, meet kettle!

You just called the October number "super low" - so naturally the November deficit looks bad if you make an absurd one-month comparison. Thanks for showing everyone how easy it is to distort the facts!

Real men put the economic data into proper perspective. They don't try to score cheap partisan points by cherry-picking a single month's change lol.

Ever hear of 3-month moving averages, Gristle?

Didn't think so.

[HDGristle]

I knew you'd go back to 1053, been waiting. You're trying to pick a nit you feel is material between real GDP and measured GDP and that's why it's adorable.

Ponder X-M more and consider the impact and timing of front-loaded inventory

The rest of the fluff with you trying to assert dominance and save face isn't relevant. Eyes on the ball. Command of the facts.

As for the AP article, good, you finally picked that nit. You've shown that there's multiple means of framing the data. Sadly, you learned tbe wrong lesson but I know you can do better

It's kind of like this opinion piece
https://community.triblive.com/news/3976013

You and the writer have some framing issues in your tariff takes because of extreme rationalization to justify them as positive. He's a much more effective messenger, though. So feel free to crib from it.

Focus on the totality. Focus on what was promised. Focus on that TACO trend. Focus on the way it was framed by the administration. Look at the wild varying logic they've produced and remember there are other reasons to question the data and how it's used.

You haven't asked yet if Trump knows what a 3 month moving average is. Might want to check on that

[HDGristle]

[jayzee43]

Originally Posted by lustylad

I wouldn't want to misrepresent you, though. So please feel free to elaborate...

Says the guys who's always "FTFY"

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by jayzee43

Says the guys who's always "FTFY"

Don't burst his bubble...

But do read this
https://washingtonspectator.org/tari...bles-on-trade/

[jayzee43]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

Don't burst his bubble...

But do read this
https://washingtonspectator.org/tari...bles-on-trade/

Another good read, but not really telling us anything we don't already know.

MAGA needs to read that, but MAGA lives in an alternate universe where higher prices, thanks to tariffs, are a good thing. Same place where insulting your neighbors is a good idea, too.

[HDGristle]

Latest updates from The Tax Foundation. Some very disappointing projections

https://taxfoundation.org/research/a...ffs-trade-war/