Voter Fraud - Voter ID - REAL ID

[ICU 812]

I am hearing that there resistance from Democrats in congress to requiring States to expunge the names of non-citizens from the rolls of registered voters.

We can argue all day about the details of who, what and how voters acquire a valid ID in the first place,. The left's objections to bringing validity to the overt rolls tells us exactly what their plan of action is n ow and for the future.

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

regarding voter fraud. does anyone realize that is not how you conduct voter fraud?

those found are red herrings giving rise to claim "voter fraud is negligible and so rare" propaganda.

you look at those tainted voter rolls, many of them are in democrat counties, districts and precincts located in inappropriate locations like business, warehouses and PO boxes. you find hundreds at one address which is a store and hundred at another address at one single apartment and another hundred at a P.O. box. there was several names were located at an empty lot with no building.

they're not doing it for shits and grins. They're engaged in identity fraud and voter fraud. To a lesser extent election fraud if election officials are aware of it and won't do anything or in some cases become actively involved.

this is how one would do it.
1. hire the aliens and other low IQ volunteers who should have known better.
2. buy ids from identity theft brokers.
3. give them pictures of the people they hired.
4. register rolls by the thousands.
5. get them on buses
6. give them fake Ids that match their faces once they reach the voting destination.
7. repeat 5 - 6

there is no way to detect that kind of fraud. they got the money to do it.

when anomalies are noticed, its explained away as "error" by election officials. they are covering this up. that is by definition election.
there are genuine mistakes and fake mistakes. so no investigation takes place as they are not interested in finding it.

True the Vote has noticed these anomalies and they have sued jurisdictions to clean up their voter rolls.

Can you provide any evidence or reporting on this claim?

[offshoredrilling]

do the dead still vote DEM ????

[RX792P]

A local story about those voter roll purges for noncitizens.

TX Governor Abbott boasted of removing 6,500 noncitizens from voter rolls in 2024.

Then he had to backtrack as it turns out those were 6,50 POTENTIAL noncitizens.

Then the secretary of state’s office identified 581 people, not 6,500, as noncitizens, according to a report it gave Abbott in late August.
Then, further confusion over the actual numbers as the secretary of state’s office told the news organizations that it had “verbally” provided the governor’s office with a separate number of people removed from the rolls who failed to respond to letters alerting them that there were questions about their citizenship.

That means U.S. citizens who simply never received or responded to such letters are almost certainly included in Abbott’s 6,500 number. Abbott did not respond to requests for comment, and Secretary of State Jane Nelson declined to be interviewed.

After attempting to contact more than 70 people across both categories, the news organizations have so far found at least nine U.S. citizens in three Texas counties who were incorrectly labeled as noncitizens or removed from the rolls because they did not respond to the letters about their citizenship. In each case, they showed reporters copies of their birth certificates to confirm their citizenship, or reporters verified their citizenship using state records.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10...ded-americans/

[1blackman1]

Don't ever rely on the folks on the right in this forum to actually check for facts. Even the "smart" ones don't bother as they tend to just repeat shit they get from right wing media. Or from ChatGPT. Sad when the actual factual information is easy enough to locate if they were not too busy trying to spread falsehoods.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Don't ever rely on the folks on the right in this forum to actually check for facts. Even the "smart" ones don't bother as they tend to just repeat shit they get from right wing media. Or from ChatGPT. Sad when the leftwing falthoods easy enough to locate if they were not too busy trying to spread rightwing falsehoods.

fify your welcome

[1blackman1]

You realize you’re not one of the “smart” ones, right?

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

You realize you’re not one of the “smart” ones, right?

I do not trust media left or right
I take it you trust left media

so thanks for the insult
topic mmmm
I'm in favor of ta vote must show ID

[elghund]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

I do not trust media left or right
I take it you trust left media

so thanks for the insult
topic mmmm
I'm in favor of ta vote must show ID

You know that any attempt to make a voter picture ID driven system will end up in the same bucket as the TSA screening……the government will back away from it due to costs and staffing, and will soon offer “pre-voting approvals” for a cost.

While I agree we need tight security around elections, the current state and local level systems are the safest we can currently believe in.

I believe it is the politicians we need to protect elections from…..not the public.

elg…

[Turner2099]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

I do not trust media left or right
I take it you trust left media

so thanks for the insult
topic mmmm
I'm in favor of ta vote must show ID

I am not being sarcastic, but if you don't trust the media at all, how can you trust the results reported by that same media in the next election, especially considering the climate of election denial we now face?

[Turner2099]

Originally Posted by offshoredrilling

I do not trust media left or right
I take it you trust left media

so thanks for the insult
topic mmmm
I'm in favor of ta vote must show ID

It goes beyond whether or not you're in favor of voter ID.

Are you in favor of The SAVE Act that is currently making it's way through Congress? It is going back to the House for a vote this week.

If you're not familiar with The SAVE Act, please take a look at the attached link. It gives a good summary and outlines the pitfalls introduced by the legislation.

At a very minimum, "The SAVE Act requires significant changes to each step of the voter registration process: how voters register, how their identities are verified, and how list maintenance is performed on an ongoing basis. These changes would be costly and time consuming, taking months—if not years—to achieve.

Despite the administrative difficulty of implementation, the SAVE Act prioritizes expediency over precision. The act becomes effective on the date of enactment, giving states no time to adjust processes. It also requires that the U.S. Election Assistance Commission offer implementation guidance to states within just 10 days of enactment. Further, the SAVE Act offers no funding to states to assist with implementation costs."

This will cost many people money in order to register to vote, which very well qualify as a poll tax. Poll taxes are unconstitutional. You can make the same argument for a voter ID.

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article...-the-save-act/

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Don't ever rely on the folks on the right in this forum to actually check for facts. Even the "smart" ones don't bother as they tend to just repeat shit they get from right wing media. Or from ChatGPT. Sad when the actual factual information is easy enough to locate if they were not too busy trying to spread falsehoods.

Gentlemen, If someone posts inconvenient truths, don't reply. For example, say a right leaning poster says the SAVE Act has "0" chance of being passed. Or that it would actually help Democrats more than Republicans given their greater propensity to register and go to the polls in the age of Trump. The effective Democratic Party advocate will simply ignore facts and change the subject. He'll question AI as a source of information because it does not always convey the party line. He'll hammer the same thing home, again and again. If he mistakenly believes election safeguards will hurt his party, or even if he believes they'll help, he'll say they're antidemocratic, unneeded, etc. When the Democratic Party base is riled, they vote! Perceived victimhood is a valuable weapon!

Did Lyndon Johnson know George Paar fraudulently won an election for him? Of course. How about John F. Kennedy? Did he know Daley stuffed ballot boxes on his behalf? You'd have to be naive to think not.

Would Trump steal an election given the opportunity and no repercussions? Would many other politicians?

Should the USA be on guard, to prevent election fraud?

Food for thought, Gentlemen of the Left.

Apologies if anyone replies. I'm trying to break a posting addiction so may not have a response.

[jcv521]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Don't ever rely on the folks on the right in this forum to actually check for facts. Even the "smart" ones don't bother as they tend to just repeat shit they get from right wing media. Or from ChatGPT. Sad when the actual factual information is easy enough to locate if they were not too busy trying to spread falsehoods.

Do you not understand that probably happens on both right and left?
I still think there should be a civics class requirement for all high school students. Remember that?

[1blackman1]

Checking facts has nothing to do with civics. Folks on this forum from the left tend (as usual) to be better educated than those on the right and much better informed of facts. The folks on the right on here tend to be vastly more inclined to read unsupported and researched sources and to follow opinion media as if that's fact based.

If your primary news source paid 3/4 of a billion dollars for lying, it probably is a shitty source.

[offshoredrilling]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Checking facts has nothing to do with civics. Folks on this forum from the left tend (as usual) to be better educated than those on the right and much better informed of facts. The folks on the right on here tend to be vastly more inclined to read unsupported and researched sources and to follow opinion media as if that's fact based.

If your primary news source paid 3/4 of a billion dollars for lying, it probably is a shitty source.