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Originally Posted by lustylad
You obviously don't understand the Constitution. The Elections Clause (Article 1, Section 4, Clause 1) does not give the states SOLE determination of how elections happen. Here's the language. Read it and learn:
"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of choosing Senators."
You also don't understand recent US history. Following passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and until the SCOTUS issued its 2013 Shelby Country v. Holder opinion, the feds required many Southern states to obtain "pre-clearance" of their voting rules from the DOJ to ensure there was no voter discrimination. How the fuck did such federal oversight occur for 48 years if, as you claim, states have SOLE determination over the vote? Please explain.
We don't have to imagine this. It's already happened! Did you forget Nancy Pelosi's HR-1 "For the People Act"? It passed the House in 2021, before dying in the Senate. Look it up!
Nancy's bill would have inter alia limited the ability of the states to clean up their voting rolls, guaranteed the right to vote for all felons, and required every state to offer automatic same-day registration, a minimum of 15 days' early voting and no-excuse absentee/mail-in balloting.
You probably think it's ok for the Dems to attempt to rig federal voting rules for their benefit, but it's an outrage whenever the GOP fights back and tries to turn off some of the spigots enabling voting fraud.
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The role under section 1 relating to congresses in put is to allow for changes that "could come" from Congress but the purpose was to not suppress votes. States continue to have control over how votes occur etc and when.
Clause (Article 1, Section 4, Clause 1)
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Article I, Section 4, Clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution, known as the Elections Clause, grants state legislatures the authority to prescribe the times, places, and manner of holding congressional elections. It simultaneously gives
Congress the power to override or alter these state regulations by law, except for the places of choosing Senators.
Key Aspects of the Elections Clause:
State Authority: States primarily manage the mechanics of federal elections, including voter registration, district mapping, and election dates.
Congressional Oversight:
Congress may establish uniform rules for federal elections that override state procedures.
Exceptions: While Congress can regulate most aspects, it cannot change the physical location of where Senators are chosen.
Examples of Federal Action: Under this authority, Congress passed the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act and the Motor Voter Law.
This clause ensures that while states run the elections, Congress holds the ultimate authority
to prevent state-level voter suppression or to create national uniformity.
All states confirm to basics on voting as it relates to ballot integrity and timing etc. the Trump administration would love to just try to influence RED states to manipulate their roles to their benefit and Trump specifically is trying to put a false impression on lacking integrity.
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Congress would have to get involved with any decisions, and they're not going to change anything more materially. Which means the States retain the pure control over the vast majority of what happens when it comes to voting.
The part about changing laws and defining that they can only be changed by Congress was to protect both the states and to ensure that there is conformity to process. It's the wish of Red hats to have conformity to who gets voted for.
Meaning- No Trump EO is gonna change a fuck one thing
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