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Old Yesterday, 11:54 PM   #61
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There you go again!

Spewing false liberal revisionist history, intended to salve the deep guilt pangs of the Democratic Party and deflect our attention away from their own long, sordid, racist history.

We've had this convo so many times already that my head hurts. When you keep bringing it up, I can only react with face palms.

Or... let's go the archives! Here is what I posted back on July 25, 2020:

I don't dispute that the dixiecrats were a wing of the Democratic party and did terrible things. Not all democrats were dixiecrats. Not all democrats shared the views and beliefs of the dixiecrats. Example, President Kennedy sent the National Guard Down to the University of Alabama in 1962 so that minority students could register for class. Dixiecrat Gov George Wallace was blocking them from the Registrar's office.


As for Dinesh he talks very briefly about the Southern Strategy around the 37 minute mark. He concludes that it did not work. This is the opposite of what the AI output had in post #17. Post #17, the AI says the southern strategy did work AND there was a realignment of the political parties. Both can't be right. One of them has to be wrong. I don't know about you, I am going with the AI output in post #17.


Go back and read post# 17. Pay attention to
"Party Sorting"
"The Result Today"
"A note on Nuance"


Senator Thurman and David Duke are perfect examples of Dixiecrats/conservative democrats that left the Democratic party for Republican party after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Bill.
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the grandchildren of those long dead DEMOCRAT racists are republican because they are ashamed of the Democratic party's long history of racism right up to today.

the Democratic party didn't turn over a new leaf in 1965 they doubled down and found new things to be subtly racist about.
Your grandchildren comment made me think of a different question to ask Claude.AI. Note that I didn't mention the South.

How did voter alignment change after the passage of the Civil Rights Act change?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 triggered one of the most dramatic political realignments in American history, reshaping the two major parties over the following decades.

## The "Solid South" Breaks Apart

Before 1964, the South had voted overwhelmingly Democratic since Reconstruction — a legacy of the Civil War. White Southern Democrats had long been a powerful bloc within the party, but they were deeply hostile to federal civil rights legislation.

When President Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act, he reportedly told an aide, *"We have lost the South for a generation."* He was right — though it proved to be more permanent than a generation.

## Immediate Shifts

- In the **1964 presidential election**, Barry Goldwater (who voted against the Act) carried only his home state of Arizona and **five Deep South states** — the first Republican to do so since Reconstruction.

- **George Wallace's 1968 third-party run** captured five more Deep South states, further fracturing the old Democratic coalition.

- **Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy"** in 1968 and 1972 explicitly appealed to disaffected white Southern voters using coded racial and cultural messaging, pulling them toward the GOP.

## Long-Term Realignment

**White Southerners** shifted steadily Republican over the next 30 years — not just in presidential races but in congressional and state elections too. By the 1990s and 2000s, the South had become reliably Republican.

**Black voters**, who had begun shifting Democratic during the New Deal, completed that realignment after 1964. African American support for Democratic presidential candidates has consistently been in the **85–95% range** ever since.

## The Broader Coalition Reshaping

The realignment wasn't just geographic — it reshaped *what each party stood for*:

- **Democrats** became more closely associated with civil rights, urban voters, minorities, college-educated professionals, and later social liberals.
- **Republicans** absorbed conservative white Southerners and working-class whites who felt culturally alienated, shifting the party's center of gravity to the right on both racial and social issues.

## How Long Did It Take?

The full realignment was surprisingly gradual. Many Southern whites continued voting for **conservative Democratic candidates at the state and local level** well into the 1980s and even 1990s before the switch to the GOP became complete down the ballot. Scholars like **V.O. Key** and later **Byron Shafer** have written extensively about why the shift took so long at sub-presidential levels.

The Civil Rights Act wasn't the *only* cause — the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the cultural upheavals of the late 1960s, deindustrialization, and the rise of the religious right all contributed — but 1964 is widely considered the **pivotal inflection point** that set the realignment in motion.
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Democrats never acknowledge, let alone want to talk about, trends like this one tracking a sea-change in public attitudes over the years:


Of course not. If the Democratic politicians keep their base fired up with false narratives (e.g. Republicans are mostly racists) it works to their advantage.
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