Trump Declares in EO that CO2 Is Not Pollution..

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

You trust too many people with a financial stake in alarmism.

You trust people who hit the alarm button for free, bud.

Hahahahahahahahah!

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Money would be better spent opening learing centers on every block or, god forbid, letting the people who earned it decide.

Absolutely. Repeating from an earlier post, a McKinsey study estimated the worldwide cost of going to net zero by 2050 would be $275 trillion. That can pay for a lot of learning centers.

https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilitie...it-could-bring

Originally Posted by lustylad

It's amazing to me how few greenies understand where most of the CO2 emissions are coming from.

If you tell them China is spewing out nearly 3 TIMES as much CO2 as the US, do they believe you? Does it register with them? Does it affect their priorities in any way, shape or form?

The US has actually reduced emissions by 20% since 2005. Meanwhile, China has more than tripled emissions since 2000. Why should we knock ourselves out trying to reduce our "carbon footprint" if the 800-pound gorilla (or panda) in the room won't stop exploding his own footprint by a huge multiple of whatever volume we manage to cut?

(Are you listening, AOC? Are you listening, Greta?)

I guess it's easier to pretend that shutting down the Keystone XL pipeline will make a difference than it is to face up to the reality that the Chinese keep adding another new coal-fired power plant to their electric grid every fucking week!

Yes, U.S. emissions as a % of the global total continue to shrink, while emissions from China, India, Indonesia, Africa, etc. will continue increasing. The USA has no say in this. Are we going to tell residents in Mumbai apartment blocks they have to put up with 95 degree indoor temperatures? They can't have air conditioning? Africans can't have motorcycles or electric lighting at night?

Why doesn't this register with many climate advocates, including many scientists? You can chalk it up to unquestioning, steadfast belief in the MSM, the mistaken belief that the USA and Europe are the center of the universe and what they say goes, a failure to appreciate the actual costs and benefits of hard core mitigation. And that warm, fuzzy feeling that comes from believing you're morally superior because you want to save the planet.

Originally Posted by pxmcc

this..

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...climate-crisis

it's here and staying here. it's either going to be bad or worse. those are the realistic options.

per capita, the good ol USA is #1 in emissions and #2 overall. what we do matters.

China is beating us in renewables. it's not even close. i'll post some stats when i get a second.

China is #1 in emissions b/c they are the center of the world in industrial production/manufacturing. we ceded that status long ago. even so, per capita, their CO2 and CH4 emissions are lower than ours.

That's not correct pxmcc. See the table here,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ons_per_capita

Australia, Russia, Curacao, Canada, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Gibraltar, Trinidad, the UAE, Bahrain, New Caledonia, Brunei, Kuwait, Qatar and Palua are all higher in per capita CO2 emissions.

A developed country with low population density, like Australia, Canada, Russia or the USA, should have higher carbon emissions than a densely populated place like China. People and goods have to be transported greater distances.

Please note from the same table that the % change in per capita emissions in the USA since 2000 is -34%. That's not close to the top of the list, but it's much better than average. And natural gas, which emits less carbon than coal per BTU, played a large part in that. If Jimmy Carter and later the climate advocates had their way, that wouldn't have happened.

The Guardian article is overblown. I don't believe the event would be "virtually impossible" without climate change, nor the claim that extreme heat is deadliest form of extreme weather in the U.S. Worldwide, extreme cold certainly is responsible for a lot more premature deaths.

[pxmcc]

^^good research Tiny! i stand corrected.

[pxmcc]

this..

https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/20/weath...-march-climate

it's here..

Phoenix at 105 isn't supposed to happen til July, maybe June at the earliest..

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Why doesn't this register with many climate advocates, including many scientists? You can chalk it up to unquestioning, steadfast belief in the MSM, the mistaken belief that the USA and Europe are the center of the universe and what they say goes, a failure to appreciate the actual costs and benefits of hard core mitigation. And that warm, fuzzy feeling that comes from believing you're morally superior because you want to save the planet.

So you're saying the MSM deliberately conceals the facts, and scientists - who are professionally trained to collect & analyze those facts, then propose optimal solutions - are too cowed and afraid to blow the whistle on China?

Sorry, that doesn't fly with me. Anyone who wants to be taken seriously about arresting climate change needs to be pointing the finger at China as by far the biggest carbon emitter on the planet. Especially the scientists. They should all be shouting - we obviously need to start HERE if we're serious about fixing the problem!

Originally Posted by Tiny

Australia, Russia, Curacao, Canada, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Gibraltar, Trinidad, the UAE, Bahrain, New Caledonia, Brunei, Kuwait, Qatar and Palua are all higher in per capita CO2 emissions.

Are there any rankings for CO2 emissions per unit of GDP? I'm guessing we probably emit 1/10 as much as China on that basis. So if we really care about maximizing global wealth while saving the planet, shouldn't we be investing more in the good old USA - where you get 10x as much output per CO2 volume - and less in filthy, carbon-spewing Mainland China?

[txdot-guy]

At least China is attempting to do something about lowering their emissions instead of poo poohing the work of climate scientists and putting their heads into the oil sands.

https://www.livescience.com/planet-e...-than-expected
China's emissions are flatlining — and may be falling — in critical turning point for biggest emitter, report says

The carbon emissions of the world's biggest greenhouse gas emitter have plateaued for nearly two years.

What do we get, The Trump administration is paying wind energy companies giant sums of money to shutter their off-shore wind projects and then coercing them into investing in gas and oil companies instead. That’s just messed up.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by pxmcc

this..

https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/20/weath...-march-climate

it's here..

Phoenix at 105 isn't supposed to happen til July, maybe June at the earliest..

Yeah, and parts of the Mid west got about 3-5 inches of snow in March that's not supposed to happen either, but it did.

[pxmcc]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Yeah, and parts of the Mid west got about 3-5 inches of snow in March that's not supposed to happen either, but it did.

there are 2 reasons for that, both of which relate to climate change:
1. warm air can hold more water vapor than cold air can.
2. the polar Arctic vortex keeps destabilizing, allowing super cold air to come down from the Arctic. when that cold air reaches warm moist air, massive snowfall happens.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

At least China is attempting to do something about lowering their emissions instead of poo poohing the work of climate scientists...

Great! Awesome!

After 40 years of snookering climate pretenders like Obama with false promises while their emissions soared, the Chinese are finally making progress!

Pat 'em on the back! Give 'em an award! After all, their carbon discharges into the atmosphere just "plateaued" at a level 3 TIMES greater than ours, even though we have the higher GDP. That's what I call progress! Whoopee!

So... does this mean I can buy a new dishwasher that doesn't take 4 hours to complete a wash cycle?

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Great! Awesome!

After 40 years of snookering climate pretenders like Obama with false promises while their emissions soared, the Chinese are finally making progress!

Pat 'em on the back! Give 'em an award! After all, their carbon discharges into the atmosphere just "plateaued" at a level 3 TIMES greater than ours, even though we have the higher GDP. That's what I call progress! Whoopee!

So... does this mean I can buy a new dishwasher that doesn't take 4 hours to complete a wash cycle?

No, but you can climb down off your high horse and recognize that the Chinese are dealing with the problem by participating in the creation of the new renewable electricity economy while Trump is trying to take us back to the nineteen seventies.


By the way the total amount of emissions since the start of the industrial revolution.

Cumulative CO₂ Emissions (since 1750)
United States: 25%
China: 14%

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

No, but you can climb down off your high horse and recognize that the Chinese are dealing with the problem...

Are you trying to be funny?

I already pointed out that the US has cut emissions by 20% in the past 20 years.

I also noted that China's CO2 emissions have MORE THAN TRIPLED since 2000. China now emits nearly 3X as much as we do.

Please ponder those FACTS for a few secs, ok?

Then tell me what obvious conclusion you derive from those FACTS regarding which country has been DEALING WITH THE PROBLEM and which country has made it humongously worse!

[Jacuzzme]

China is burning more than Snoop Dog on a Vegas bender, like 100GW opened in 25 alone. If you think their leadership gives a single fuck about global warming I’ve got a bridge for sale.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Are you trying to be funny?

Do facts even register with you?

I already pointed out that the US has cut emissions by 20% in the past 20 years.

I also noted that China's CO2 emissions have MORE THAN TRIPLED since 2000. China now emits nearly 3X as much as we do.

Please ponder those FACTS for a few secs, ok?

Then tell me what obvious conclusion you derive from those FACTS regarding who is DEALING WITH THE PROBLEM and who has made it humongously worse!

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

China is burning more than Snoop Dog on a Vegas bender, like 100GW opened in 25 alone. If you think their leadership gives a single fuck about global warming I’ve got a bridge for sale.

Who gives a toss about what China’s done.

First of all their emissions are going down. That’s undeniable. Secondly what does that have to do with what we do here at home. Just because they act like assholes doesn’t mean that we have to act like assholes.

And right now the Trump administration is acting like an asshole when it comes to climate change because they are putting their heads in the sand just like they are with vaccines. This is just sad.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Just because they act like assholes doesn’t mean that we have to act like assholes.

Lol... no, but it means you should be blasting China for being climate assholes three times as often as you call your fellow Americans assholes!

You're starting to get it, txdot!

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Lol... no, but it means you should be blasting China for being climate assholes three times as often as you call your fellow Americans assholes!

You're starting to get it, txdot!

Just trying to follow the rules of the forum. The OP is about the Trump administration relabeling CO2 as a non-pollutant.

Not whether he should get a pass for his fossil fuel hardon because China has a bigger CO2 dick than the US.