Robert Mueller passed!!!

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

... It was a SHAM from the start. ... And Mueller KNEW it.

##### Salty

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Mueller will NEVER bring bullshit charges against
anybody else ever again! ... Reason enough to be GLAD!

#### Salty

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... It was a SHAM from the start. ... And Mueller KNEW it.

##### Salty

Dear befuddled buffoons. The Mueller investigation led to multiple indictments and multiple guilty pleas. Eveb Bill Barr pointed out ten episodes of obstruction by the trump campaign. The charges weren’t bullshit!

From the wiki page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muelle..._investigation

While the investigation found no evidence that President Trump or any of his aides "coordinated" with the Russian government's 2016 election interference,[6] and there was insufficient evidence of a criminal "conspiracy", members of the campaign were indicted, including national security advisor Michael Flynn and the chair of the Trump presidential campaign, Paul Manafort.[7]

The investigation resulted in charges against 34 individuals and three companies, eight guilty pleas, and a conviction at trial.[8][9] The report did not reach a conclusion about possible obstruction of justice by Trump, citing a Justice Department guideline that prohibits the federal indictment of a sitting president.[10][11][12] However, Attorney General William Barr pointed to ten episodes of potential obstruction.[13]

[oldman2525]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

If only that were true. I hate to break it to you but there is no such thing as a “Deep State”.

Read the wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_s..._United_States

if wiki is your trusted source, lol wow


you do know in addition to not having much credibility, wiki pages can be altered, dont you?

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by oldman2525

if wiki is your trusted source, lol wow


you do know in addition to not having much credibility, wiki pages can be altered, dont you?

They can but the underlying information used to create the content is harder to falsify.

Like it or not the Mueller investigation did result in indictments and guilty pleas.

https://archive.ph/lJkGs

Over nearly two years, the investigation examined a broad campaign by Russia to influence the election, including the hacking and release of Democratic emails connected to his opponent, Hillary Clinton, and a social media operation aimed at American voters. It also scrutinized contacts between Russian individuals and Mr. Trump’s campaign advisers, as well as actions taken by the president after he took office.

The inquiry resulted in charges against more than 30 people and three companies on more than 100 criminal counts.

Several of Mr. Trump’s associates and others in their circles were charged and eventually pleaded guilty or were convicted, including the president’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. Twenty-five others were Russians accused of interfering in the presidential election.

Mr. Mueller submitted his report in March 2019. It concluded that Russia had carried out a sweeping and systematic effort to interfere in the election, and that the Trump campaign expected it would benefit electorally from those efforts.

The investigation did not establish that members of the campaign had conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities, the Justice Department concluded.

On the question of obstruction of justice, the report examined several episodes involving the president but did not make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, according to William P. Barr, then the attorney general. The report cited Justice Department policy against indicting a sitting president and stated that while the investigation did not conclude that Mr. Trump had committed a crime, it also did not exonerate him.

[Yssup Rider]

They of incredibly short memory…

[jayzee43]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

They of incredibly short memory…

All they needed to hear was King Dummy say that there was "no collusion" a few dozen times, and it was good enough for them - even though there was plenty of proven collusion between trump and Russia - MAGA had everything they needed when Dear Leader called it a "hoax".

Tell Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn it was a "hoax".

[Jacuzzme]

It’s cute you still believe that horseshit when anyone with a modicum of sense, and the curiosity to look, knows the accusations were made up from day 1. Keep pretending tho, it’s entertaining.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by jayzee43

...there was plenty of proven collusion between trump and Russia...

Totally wrong. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat this damnable lie, it will always be a lie.

Why do I have to repeat myself over & over again on the historical FACTS? Why are trump-haters so obtuse?

Here's what I posted in a thread in this sandbox way back on October 24, 2021:

Originally Posted by lustylad

The Mueller report found NO evidence of conspiracy/collusion between the 2016 Trump campaign and the Russians. Mueller's team had two years, unlimited funding, and far-reaching powers to subpoena evidence, call witnesses, conduct gestapo-style dawn raids on suspects, and toss people into jail for not cooperating sufficiently. Mueller was a SPECIAL COUNSEL, meaning his powers could not be curtailed by the legislature - so what the fuck are you even talking about??

Mueller dug and dug for 2 years and came up with nothing worth pursuing, let alone impeaching a POTUS for. If you read our Constitution, you would know we give every citizen the presumption of innocence. Including Donald Trump.

You scoff at Trump supporters who believe the so-called "big lie" that the 2020 election was stolen, yet you are just as bad since you continue to swallow the big 2016 Russian collusion lie.

Actually, you are even MORE ignorant than the Trump supporters, since you still cling to your Big Lie after 2 years and over $40 million were spent on a fruitless investigation whose outcome you stupidly and stubbornly refuse to accept!

[jayzee43]

Again, tell Manafort and Flynn it was all a "hoax".

trump committed treason and got away with it, leaving his henchmen to pay the price. As usual.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by lustylad

Totally wrong. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat this damnable lie, it will always be a lie.

Why do I have to repeat myself over & over again on the historical FACTS? Why are trump-haters so obtuse?

Here's what I posted in a thread in this sandbox way back on October 24, 2021:

lustylad is correct in his statement. There has been no proven link between the Russian interference in the election and the Trump campaign. That doesn’t mean however that shady shit wasn’t going down.

The truth is somewhere in between the idea that Trump is some kind of manchurian candidate for Russia and Trump’s assertion that it’s a complete hoax.

In this case Trump is his own worst enemy. If he cooperated with the investigation he could have claimed the high road but instead as usual he deflects, denies, lies and obstructs.

Read up on the trials of Paul Manafort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort

[Jacuzzme]

Trump did exactly what everyone else should. Never, EVER, voluntarily give information to any law enforcement official, even on a traffic stop. They’ll twist and turn it and try’n get you to make conflicting statements and go after you for that with no predicate. It’s exactly how they railroaded Flynn and Manafort. When the cop gives you the obligatory “Where you coming from tonight?” simply tell them you don’t answer questions. Hand over the documents (if it’s a lawful stop, otherwise tell them to kick rocks and come back when they have reasonable articulable suspicion you’ve committed a crime) and STFU.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Trump did exactly what everyone else should. Never, EVER, voluntarily give information to any law enforcement official, even on a traffic stop. They’ll twist and turn it and try’n get you to make conflicting statements and go after you for that with no predicate. It’s exactly how they railroaded Flynn and Manafort. When the cop gives you the obligatory “Where you coming from tonight?” simply tell them you don’t answer questions. Hand over the documents (if it’s a lawful stop, otherwise tell them to kick rocks and come back when they have reasonable articulable suspicion you’ve committed a crime) and STFU.

I would argue that there is a difference between keeping your mouth shut and actively obstructing the investigation.

That’s one of the ways Trump gets himself in trouble. Bill Barr himself said that there were instances where it could be argued that Trump obstructed the investigation.

https://archive.ph/N1NLN
Special counsel Robert Mueller’s report contains 10 instances where President Donald Trump potentially committed obstruction of justice. Now that the report has been released, we know what they are.

Perhaps most explosively, Mueller said in the report that Trump’s “efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests.”
… Click the link to read the full article.

[Jacuzzme]

Obstruction of “justice” is a misnomer when the charges are fabricated.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Obstruction of “justice” is a misnomer when the charges are fabricated.

That’s a matter for the courts.

A quick search produces

Understanding Obstruction of Justice

Obstruction of justice refers to actions that interfere with the legal process, particularly investigations or judicial proceedings. It encompasses a variety of offenses, including witness tampering, destruction of evidence, and making false statements to officials.

Requirement of an Underlying Crime

Underlying Crime or Proceeding: Generally, there needs to be an underlying crime or legal proceeding for obstruction of justice charges to be valid. This means that the obstruction must interfere with a specific investigation or judicial process.

Prosecution Without Proven Crime: Importantly, the act of obstruction itself can still be prosecuted even if the underlying crime is not successfully proven. This means that an individual can face charges for obstructing justice regardless of whether the original crime they are accused of committing is ultimately established in court.

I personally believe that Trump wanted to obstruct the investigation.

[HDGristle]

He did. Barr covered and tried to bury it. Mueller had him