Baseball Season Is Here: Question of the Day: Was Derek Jeter Overrated?

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I maintain he would have never had the career he had if he was drafted by the Pirates, Marlins, Rockies or As!
His entire career he was surrounded by teams of luxury-tax free agents!
(The best that $$$ could buy!)
If he was drafted by a 100-loss team like the Pirates, Marlins, Rockies or As ... his career would have taken an entirely different trajectory!

[Salty Again]

... Hmmmm. ... Hmmm.... Reckon that's all food fer thought, mate.
But the heavy lot of blokes are lucky like that.

... Jeter's Yankee sides surely did WIN a 'andful of Championships.
... Rather difficult for me to claim that He's over-rated.

#### Salty

[Lantern2814]

Certainly being in New York with the Yankees helped Jeter immensely. If you want to compare it to a potential superstar getting drafted by a 100 loss team, we could look at Paul Skenes in Pittsburgh. A Cy Young with a 10-10 record but an ERA of 1.97. The classic getting no offensive support from your team.I'm a Mets fan, but Skenes got no help from his center fielder (cost him at least 4 runs) on opening day.

[Yssup Rider]

I don’t know if he was overrated, but when I think of the players on those team I’d least want to face, he wasn’t one of them.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by victoryformation

I maintain he would have never had the career he had if he was drafted by the Pirates, Marlins, Rockies or As!
His entire career he was surrounded by teams of luxury-tax free agents!
(The best that $$$ could buy!)
If he was drafted by a 100-loss team like the Pirates, Marlins, Rockies or As ... his career would have taken an entirely different trajectory!

Derek Jeter was a very good baseball player. I will admit that his hitting stats may not get you into the HOF as an outfielder or corner infielder. To put up those kinds of stats as a short stop or second baseman you are going to get in. He did not hit 400 plus home runs, but he did everything else well. He could hit for average, steal a base, score from second on a single, hit 20 home runs a year.


He had very good career statistics for a short stop. Yes, he played with other talented players. The 2009 team that won a championship, there was like 8 batters with a 300 batting average in the everyday lineup. Jeter produced, he deserved to be elected into the HOF. I am a Los Angeles Dodger fan. I have respect for the Yankees. They were fun to watch play when Alex Rodriguez was on third base & Derek Jeter at short. I am surprised they only won one title together, the 2009 team. If Jeter were drafted by one of the teams you mentioned some of his cumulative hitting stats would not be as high like runs scored or RBI's. He still could have made the all star team like 10 times.

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ow many HOF SS have the dubious distinction of NOT being the best defensive SS of his generation (Omar Vizquel's defensive skills were far superior)!
Derek Jeter had limited range!
He couldn't make a play deep in the hole and steal a hit (like Omar)!
He couldn't get to balls hit up the middle!
(He made the routine plays when balls were hit at him!)
And furthermore, how many HOF SSs can say they were NOT the best offensive SS of his generation!
(Nomar, ARod and Miquel Tejada ...put up bigger #s!)
I maintain: If DJ was drafted by the budget-conscious Marlins, Pirates, Rockies or A's ... the back of his baseball card... would look much different!

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In a 2005 Sports Illustrated poll ... Derek Jeter was voted the most over rated player in MLB (by his peers)!
(There's NWIH if DJ was drafted by the Marlins, Pirates, Rockies or A's ...he would have gotten national tv exposure and won the World Series 4 times in his first 5 years!)

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by victoryformation

ow many HOF SS have the dubious distinction of NOT being the best defensive SS of his generation (Omar Vizquel's defensive skills were far superior)!
Derek Jeter had limited range!
He couldn't make a play deep in the hole and steal a hit (like Omar)!
He couldn't get to balls hit up the middle!
(He made the routine plays when balls were hit at him!)
And furthermore, how many HOF SSs can say they were NOT the best offensive SS of his generation!
(Nomar, ARod and Miquel Tejada ...put up bigger #s!)
I maintain: If DJ was drafted by the budget-conscious Marlins, Pirates, Rockies or A's ... the back of his baseball card... would look much different!

Nomar had more home run power than Jeter. Hitting wise Jeter did everything else just as well. The same with Miguel Tejada, who did have some thump in his bat. I respect Arod, but he did take supplements that were banned. Jeter was a first ballad Hall of Famer and it would have been unamious except by one vote. Jeter was a very good player and he deserved to get into the hall of fame. It's save to say the people who vote for the hall of fame did not think Jeter was over rated..

[victoryformation]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Nomar had more home run power than Jeter. Hitting wise Jeter did everything else just as well. The same with Miguel Tejada, who did have some thump in his bat. I respect Arod, but he did take supplements that were banned. Jeter was a first ballad Hall of Famer and it would have been unamious except by one vote. Jeter was a very good player and he deserved to get into the hall of fame. It's save to say the people who vote for the hall of fame did not think Jeter was over rated..

Derek Jeter was the beneficiary of fortuitous circumstance!
Every day of his entire 20 year career ...when he stepped onto the field ... he was surrounded by the best luxury-tax free agents that (George Steinbrenner's) money could buy!
His Yankee teams were so unfairly loaded with luxury-tax free agents ... that if you took him off of those Yankee teams and replaced him Miquel Tejada, Nomar or Michael Young ...the Yankees would never even missed a beat!

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by victoryformation

Derek Jeter was the beneficiary of fortuitous circumstance!
Every day of his entire 20 year career ...when he stepped onto the field ... he was surrounded by the best luxury-tax free agents that (George Steinbrenner's) money could buy!
His Yankee teams were so unfairly loaded with luxury-tax free agents ... that if you took him off of those Yankee teams and replaced him Miquel Tejada, Nomar or Michael Young ...the Yankees would never even missed a beat!

The 2009 and 2010 teams had a loaded everyday lineup with guys like ARod, Mark Teixira,Paul Oneill, Bernie Williams, O. Posada (was a good hitting catcher). The championship teams from 1996 - 2000 did not have a 300 ave hitter in every position like in 2009 and 2010.


Jeter ranks 6th in base hits all time with 3,465. This stat alone will get you elected into the Hall Of Fame, especially for a Middle Infielder. Here are some of Jeter's other stats:


AVG .310. HR. 260. RBI. 1311. OPS .817.


Your RBI's and your Runs scored can be affected by playing with other good hitters. Your batting ave, number of home runs and number of stolen bases is more about the individuals natural ability. You are entitled to your opinion. I have no problem with Jeter being elected into the Hall of Fame. The people who vote for the hall of fame did not have a problem either. He was elected on the first ballad.


Bottom line a shortstop with a life time batting AVE of 310 and 3,465 base hits is going into the Hall of Fame. It does not matter who he was playing with.

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[QUOTE=adav8s28;1064046021]The 2009 and 2010 teams had a loaded everyday lineup with guys like ARod, Mark Teixira,Paul Oneill, Bernie Williams, O. Posada (was a good hitting catcher). The championship teams from 1996 - 2000 did not have a 300 ave hitter in every position like in 2009 and 2010.


Jeter ranks 6th in base hits all time with 3,465. This stat alone will get you elected into the Hall Of Fame, especially for a Middle Infielder. Here are some of Jeter's other stats:


AVG .310. HR. 260. RBI. 1311. OPS .817.


It's hard to argue against 3,465 hits!
But then again, Craig Biggio had over 3,000 hits ...he was essentially a "compiler"!
Could DJ's hit total be attributed to longevity and compiling?
In regard to his .310 career BA ...how much of a factor was it that all those high-priced, luxury-tax free agents were always on base in front of him... and he had to be pitched to?
Like I said: DJ's Yankee teams were so loaded ... that if you were to replace DJ with a journeyman SS like Rich Aurelia ...those Yankee teams would not have missed a beat ... and would have still won 5 World Series!
Would he have put up the same career #s if he played 20 years for the Marlins, Pirates, Rockies or A's ... where he would have played in a lot of meaningless, September games... surrounded by Triple A call-ups?

[Salty Again]

... Surely agree-with Adav on this... .310 CAREER hitting average!

... Jeter DID THAT - whether it's with the damn Yankees or
the Podunk Pea-shooters - his numbers make him a standout.

And lemme mention that the fact he did it on the Yankees prolly
diminishes the achievement a bit... Would no doubt be a rather
EASY first-round ballot Hall of Famer with Podunk or a lesser side.

... 20 years playing... .310 average ... 3,465 hits...

#### Salty

[victoryformation]

2 player's 162 game stat line:

HRS RBI BA OPS
Player A 15 77 .310 .817

Player B 26 108 .309 .871

WHO'S in the HOF?

Player A: The player who led the charmed life ... and played for the NY Yankees (Derek Jeter)!

Can anyone name the other player who had the misfortune of NOT playing for the Yankees!