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Old 08-29-2012, 10:22 AM   #31
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Well I guess you could call two doctors government being as our tax dollars are paying for it.
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:55 AM   #32
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WDF thinks that requiring a doctor to ask another doctor "Hey, do you think we can save this person?" is added government and bureaucracy. Just proves the idiot that he is.

will guarantee if another doc is called in the bill will be higher + the time to get one there what is happening to the baby? why isn't one Doc enough to provide care to a living baby???
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:57 AM   #33
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If Illinois doesn't want to pay for a second opinion on whether a baby born alive should be kept alive, that says a lot about Illinois, doesn't it.

WDF, I suppose even one doctor present would be government intervention. It sounds like you'd like women to have their abortions alone.

You are such a fucking idiot.
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Old 08-29-2012, 11:14 AM   #34
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I'm not a fan of late term abortions. The major problem that I have with early term abortions is the fact that I'm paying for them as a tax payer and I don't want my money used for that purpose. Pay for it yourself!!!

Same goes for stem cell research, I'm not against it. I don't want to pay for it
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Old 08-29-2012, 11:24 AM   #35
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"Am I missing something here? Why would the question, can we save this baby, even be asked? The doctor's job is to try and save the baby, period. If the baby can't be saved, that will be discovered after the doctor has tried to save it and failed."

Exactly correct. And if any of you dumbasses would take the time to read the link Munch put up, you'd see that's been the law in Illinois since 1975.
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Old 08-29-2012, 01:15 PM   #37
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I read what Munchie linked to and it is about something that Santorum said. The point remains that a nurse testified that she had to stand by and allow an infant to die after a botched abortion. Criminal law says that any baby that draws a breath is "born" and "a person" except in Chicago. That is why the abomination of partial birth abortion was created. The baby is delivered to the point that it's skull can be penetrated before breath can be drawn. Sounds like a squirrely lawyer end around rather than an honest attempt. Anyone who supports this is an accessory to murder.
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Old 08-29-2012, 05:02 PM   #38
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WDF thinks that requiring a doctor to ask another doctor "Hey, do you think we can save this person?" is added government and bureaucracy. Just proves the idiot that he is.
WTF thinks that if one Doctor does not have the sense enough to know if a baby will live , then you need to strip that Doctor of the right to practice medicine....not have a law that requires two Doctors to figure that out. How about a law where you need two Cops present before you can shoot a citizen?

You're about as libertarian as Fox is a News organization. You are a Faux Libertarian.
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Old 08-29-2012, 05:11 PM   #39
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Same goes for stem cell research, I'm not against it. I don't want to pay for it
You think I wanted to pay for a fucking war in Iraq? Oh wait we didn't, we gave everyone a tax cut. Now you nuts want to bitch about the deficit and some phoney babies deaths. Get over yourself. We all pay for shit that we do not agree with.


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. Anyone who supports this is an accessory to murder.
I thought you thought any abortion was murder? Even in vetro fertilization.

If so, are Mitt Romney's kids murders in your eyes?

This is where JD, Whirly and joe blows tuck tail and run. They can not answer that question.
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It isn't about what one citizen thinks; it is about the polcies that people like Obama make........
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Am I missing something here? Why would the question, can we save this baby, even be asked? The doctor's job is to try and save the baby, period. If the baby can't be saved, that will be discovered after the doctor has tried to save it and failed.

It not the doctor's job to say, wow! this one's in pretty bad shape, why waste money on a lost cause. Doctor's aren't allowed to do that. It's against the law.
Holy Shit Batman, joe gets it!

This law that Obama would not sign on to is about as stupid as having hate laws.


Murder is murder. You do not have to have a special law for killing somebody because you 'hate' them.

If I voted aganist a hate law because we already have laws aganist murder, that would not mean I am for Blacks killing whites or whites killing blacks or straight people killing gays or gays killing straight people. It would be because we already have laws aganist murder. It is dumb as fuck to have another law ...unless you are trying to spin some evil shit rumor. nobody would do that now would they?

WTF is wrong with you numbnuts?
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I read what Munchie linked to and it is about something that Santorum said. The point remains that a nurse testified that she had to stand by and allow an infant to die after a botched abortion. Criminal law says that any baby that draws a breath is "born" and "a person" except in Chicago. That is why the abomination of partial birth abortion was created. The baby is delivered to the point that it's skull can be penetrated before breath can be drawn. Sounds like a squirrely lawyer end around rather than an honest attempt. Anyone who supports this is an accessory to murder.
The link isn't about "something Santorum said" you dumbass. Your astonishingly stupid analytical powers continue to amaze those of us capable of independent thought and analysis. Keep trying.
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So Timmyboy; you support the killing a baby that survives a botched abortion ?

And presumably, you also support late term abortions, beyond the point of viability and up to birth ?
I do not. I support the right of a woman to choose and the laws that are in place to support that right. I don't support the idea that morons like you should be allowed to jam your idea of what is "moral" down the throats of those women. I realize that it will be difficult for a pea-brained idiot like you to differentiate between those two things, but give it a try.
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So you support a woman's right to choose to murder a baby that survived an abortion.
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If the repubs get in all women will need to have their tubes tied at puberty,in case of rape or incest they won't get preggers....
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