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You are out of your mind calling these "fake" assassination attempt.
Regarding Iran peace talks, why should Iran agree to peace talks when they are being blockaded ? And Trump may just let the conflict continue, causing massive economic suffering.
He said it would be over in 4 to 6 weeks.
1blackman1 is just having a little fun; don't take him seriously. unlike wackjob maga conspiracy fools, he has a firm grip on reality..
btw, maybe Trump stopped shooting because he realized we're running out of ammo. meanwhile, China is over there salivating and getting a hard on every time it thinks about violently raping Taiwan while the U.S. sinks into another quagmire in the Mideast and uses up its (expensive) bullets..
Ukraine, pretty please with sugar on top, help us with your newly gleaned knowhow in warfare circa 2026..
dang. i think Iran must have taken out too many of our awacs. otherwise no chance of running the blockade gantlet..
it looks like we'll have 3 CSG and 2 amphibious ready groups pretty soon all locked in and loaded. and yet i do not see Iran surrendering anytime soon. they are much tougher than Trump assumed, with his excess of hubris..
in war as in gambling, the 2nd you're overconfident, you're screwed..
That really made us look bad. You got an intelligence asset that is designed to prevent such an incident and than you just go ahead and let it get creamed...while on the ground.
Wonder how petey is gonna 'plain that.
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B-52's
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it's interesting-the Iranian foreign minister was in Iran before the American team was supposed to arrive. then, he left before Kushner and Witcoff arrived. and now that Trump has grounded the negotiators, the Iranian foreign minister is back in Pakistan.
"We're too busy to meet with the Americans, but have plenty of time for random trips to Pakistan."
seems like the Iranians don't actually want to negotiate. Trump's more desperate to end the war than Iran's leaders are. it's kinda funny when you consider that almost all of Trump's issues with Iran--the Strait and nukes-were caused by him.
Iran has taken an American hostage. his name is Donald J. Trump..
LOL! House arrest in Mar-a-lago. Banned from Melania bedroom.
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should he FUCK NO, unless agree no ever a nuke and lets US check as many times as they want
Like we did before donny tore up the treaty that allowed the world to check in on them? That was a fine move by a *stable genius*
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These seem to be the 2 choices. However at the start of this, Trump said it would last 4 to 6 weeks. It has already been 2 months, with no end in sight. Several countries will soon be running through their oil reserves. Oil is at $ 96 dollar levels. It is unsustainable for this to continue as is.
Also Iran has mentioned they will start blowing up Middle East oil facilities if this continues. They have learned to threaten, a page from the Trump playbook.
Trump also has said "they agreed to everything", and many other false statements.
What?! Are you telling me donny lied?
What say you maggies: is donny telling the truth? If so, than why are we still there since there are no terms left to claim ceasefire?
If not, please say he lied.
Iran: shithole nation still punching WAY above their weight class.
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I predicted weeks ago this was over and that we were negotiating our surrender. It’s unfolding before our eyes. We are begging Iran to allow us to claim a victory. They are laughing.
Trump has resorted to another “assissination” attempt to try to divert our eyes from the war and Epstein. At least this time they didn’t accident kill a person in the stands like
In Butler.
What will be the next distraction?
This remind you of a certain phone call to the Mexican president telling him to pay lip service to what he was saying?
The Big Cheato should have learned that this action doesn't work.
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well looks like Trump, instead of declaring victory and wrapping up this silly war, has decided to hand the Dems the Senate in the midterms. thank you kindly, Mr. President..
Trump brags that the U.S. navy is acting like pirates. Trump is finally honest about something..
"US Navy acting like ‘pirates’ during Iran blockade. 'President Trump says the US Navy is acting 'like pirates' as he described a military operation seizing a ship during the tit-for-tat blockade of Iranian ports.'
'We … land on top of it and we took over the ship. We took over the cargo, took over the oil. It’s a very profitable business,' Trump said at a rally in Florida on Friday.
We’re like pirates,' he added to cheers from the crowd. 'We’re sort of like pirates, but we’re not playing games.' "
one of Iran's conditions to end the war for the U.S. is to "stop acting like pirates"..
what else will come out of his mouth? "Well, it's true that we're war criminals, but we're the best war criminals in the history of war crimes. No one does better war crimes than us, not even the Nazis. It's not even close"..
Trump brags that the U.S. navy is acting like pirates. Trump is finally honest about something..
"US Navy acting like ‘pirates’ during Iran blockade. 'President Trump says the US Navy is acting 'like pirates' as he described a military operation seizing a ship during the tit-for-tat blockade of Iranian ports.'
'We … land on top of it and we took over the ship. We took over the cargo, took over the oil. It’s a very profitable business,' Trump said at a rally in Florida on Friday.
We’re like pirates,' he added to cheers from the crowd. 'We’re sort of like pirates, but we’re not playing games.' "
one of Iran's conditions to end the war for the U.S. is to "stop acting like pirates"..
what else will come out of his mouth? "Well, it's true that we're war criminals, but we're the best war criminals in the history of war crimes. No one does better war crimes than us, not even the Nazis. It's not even close"..
wow.
If you are correct, that flys in the face of the Constitution.
And echos the actions that we have been doing around Venezula, which by all means a person I know whose job was maritime interdiction activites states are illegal by us.
the latest offer from Iran is a 14 point list. here's what we know:
"Iranian media said Tehran’s latest 14-point proposal included the withdrawal of US forces from areas surrounding Iran, lifting the US blockade on the strait of Hormuz, releasing Iran’s frozen assets, payment of compensation, lifting sanctions and ending the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, as well as a new control mechanism for the strait.
Speaking to reporters in Florida on Saturday, Trump suggested new military action against Iran was on the table."
Trump doesn't think Iran has "suffered enough" yet. wtf lol??!!
spoken like a true sadist..
it appears Trump has discussed nuking Iran if negotiations dont pan out. not even joking..
so the latest is that the U.S. military will help civilian ships to transit the Strait, but it's not exactly an "escort mission" per CentCom. let's instead call it "Yankee Doodle" and all that..
Iran says that doing so would be a violation of the cease fire..
no, bitches, if you start shooting at us, that would be a violation of the cease fire..
generally, i think the acronym FAFO is overused. however, i'm going to make an exception for this particular case..
fuck around by shooting at our destroyers "Yankee doodling" civilian ships through the Strait, and you will find out what a violation of the cease fire actually looks like..
i like this move; i think it well past time to implement it.
Iran has quite a bit of firepower aimed at the Strait. but if they start shooting at us, they will see what actual firepower looks like.
i'm against this war and have been from day 1, but at this point, none of that matters. now it's about leveraging our substantial military assets to do what needs to be done. i'm seeing a-10s and f-18s in the skies above the Strait, subs and autonomous underwater drones which Iran will have no clue even exist under the waves, destroyers locked and loaded for surface warfare, littoral combat ships sweeping for mines, and autonomous drone boats to get up close and personal with Iran's fast attack boats. plus, i love having a-10s around to deal with those pesky IRGC speedboats. if Iran starts shooting at us, cover fire from A/C 130 gunships could also help-those things are legit scary-if the Navy decides to do any low profile night-time transits.
Iran's latest offer to end the war is a non-starter. without firing even a cap gun, let's get oil tankers and cargo ships moving through the Strait. if Iran doesn't like it, they can kiss our Yankee Doodle ass..
thoughts? (by the way, i don't pretend to be any kind of military expert, so any actual experts, feel free to weigh in.)
just to clarify-i'm not calling bs-you're saying that the U.S. will exclusively help ships that are already stuck inside the Strait, but not ships stuck on the Persian Gulf side or the Gulf of Oman side?
considering the danger to civilian ships, i'm surprised that there are any non-military ships stuck actually inside the Strait. i'm aware that like 2000 ships are stuck on either side of the Strait.
i suppose that getting any ships already stuck there and in danger through the Strait would be a good place to start.
if i understood you correctly, any idea how many civilian ships are stuck actually inside the Strait? i would think it would have to be a small number. not too many boat captains brave enough or dumb enough to waltz into an active war zone.
Iran is demanding that any ships transiting the Strait coordinate with the Republican Guard. but if a civilian ship has a couple of Arleigh-Burke destroyers on either side and some a-10s flying in the air above, i'd think they'd be happy to ignore that order.
one last point. it should be interesting to see how the Navy both maintains the blockade and carries out the "Yankee Doodle" op. might be spread kinda thin.
You boyz truly don't understand how this all works. If my statements about Lloyd's (or whoever insures these ships) is at all correct, those tankers are not gonna fucking move. And you would be wise to support that until this situation is better stabilized. All they need to do is sink one of those fucking things and this is gonna all go soooooo much worse....
Threats and chest thumping....and your celebration of it...don't mean shit. It's mostly what got us into this godforsaken clusterfuck to begin with. They need to make the correct moves to ensure that the Strait is completely secure before anything moves.
Then again...this is Trump and Hegseth we are talking about. These compulsive idiots probably care more about appealing to their ignorant fan base and securing their fragile veil of toxic masculinity than anything that actually makes sense.
So yeah...get ready to "press the action!" What could go wrong?
i have no confidence in Trump or Heggy. but if the U.S. Navy vouches for a corridor in the Strait having been secured for civilian transit, then i think we shouldn't keep waiting. there will never be 100% certainty of anything.
we have a formidable number of assets in the region, and more arriving shortly. (the Boxer's Amphibious Ready Group; the Tripoli amphibious assault ship is already there, plus 2 carrier strike groups.)
here is the general location of U.S. Navy/Marines' assets, including what's available for use against Iran.
i'm not saying you are incorrect, but at some point, we have to get traffic moving. if the U.S. Navy deems it safe for civilian transit, then waiting longer doesn't make sense.
but, i think we should prioritize specifically our destroyers for safe passage of civilian ships over enforcement of the blockade; the blockade is nowhere near as critical as safe passage through the Strait, and other ships can enforce the blockade anyway. if a couple of lucky ships evade the blockade in the Gulf of Oman, who cares?
here's the most recent info on what happened today.
was this war a terrible decision? yup. after Venezuela, Trump got way too cocky. Iran is no Venezuela. but here we are. so where do we go from here?
meanwhile, Iran's and the U.S.'s conditions to end the war are still miles apart. i suppose there is some value in the 2 sides simply talking to each other through Pakistan's mediation.
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You boyz truly don't understand how this all works. If my statements about Lloyd's (or whoever insures these ships) is at all correct, those tankers are not gonna fucking move. And you would be wise to support that until this situation is better stabilized. All they need to do is sink one of those fucking things and this is gonna all go soooooo much worse....
Threats and chest thumping....and your celebration of it...don't mean shit. It's mostly what got us into this godforsaken clusterfuck to begin with. They need to make the correct moves to ensure that the Strait is completely secure before anything moves.
Then again...this is Trump and Hegseth we are talking about. These compulsive idiots probably care more about appealing to their ignorant fan base and securing their fragile veil of toxic masculinity than anything that actually makes sense.
So yeah...get ready to "press the action!" What could go wrong?
You boyz truly don't understand how this all works....
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i have no confidence in Trump or Heggy. but if the U.S. Navy vouches for a corridor in the Strait having been secured for civilian transit, then i think we shouldn't keep waiting. there will never be 100% certainty of anything.
we have a formidable number of assets in the region, and more arriving shortly....
You're still not seeing it. The risks to these ships will still be seen as too high.
The U.S. does have a formidable force and can bring in more. But not enough to guarantee safety.
Just one tanker sunk will send global energy markets into chaos that will make current times look like the good ol' days...not to mention the horrible destruction that will then reign down on Iran because of it.
Diplomacy needs to resolve this. And that is in the hands of a bunch of incompetent fucking morons who allowed this unbelievable disaster to happen in the first place.
