The only way to handle thugs...

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by matchingmole

I may have "Kudo'd you once back in the ASPD days....

Its possible.. though I wouldn't have been "Grace" at the time

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Oh there are plenty of race problems. You don't have to murder a man to be a racist fuckwit.

Remember you brought up murder, that's the ultimate sin. What else do you have.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by smokedog01

When statistics prove that more white people are killed by police people ignore those numbers because black people make up a lower percentage of the population. When you bring up the fact that the same lower percentage of people commit over half of the violent crime you are a racist. Strange how that works. Not quite as strange as Lou picking a handle pronounced "loose bowels". That has to open him up to some very specific screening requirements.

One of those "ill advised" comments by Trump that I mention often. I of course never made any such statement and YES, any facts that might show Blacks in a negative light is of course racist to the left.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by matchingmole

You totally have him pegged regarding the fuckwit observation....kudos.

You both missed my point and you proved it, which isn't surprising at all.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

This part. I've said more than once that I live in a neighborhood that, according to the stats, is a "bad neighborhood". My point was, my being "white" hasn't impacted me living here. I'm not a target for the crime because I simply don't get involved in activities that make me a target. 80% or more of the people of color who are killed by other people of color-- tend to be engaged in criminal enterprise. Most folk aren't randomly running around and shooting people for sport. There is a good bit of gun violence in my neighborhood... we generally don't go a month without someone being shot within a 10 block radius.



I don't have a tall fence around my property. I have a regular chain link fence in my backyard for my doggos, but that's it. I have cameras on the property and I have an alarm system, along with a couple of personal weapons in the event someone were to try to come into my home-- but it hasn't been an issue. I was broken into twice when I lived in a "nicer, white neighborhood".... by the heroin junkies that were rampant on that side of town. Here? Kids want to help carry in my groceries if they see me.



People have this perception that predominantly black, high crime areas are just these war zones where walking to your car will get you shot. This isn't the movies. If you don't go looking for trouble, you're generally not going to find trouble.


OEB-- my stats above come from the FBI crime data tables. You'll have to do the math to get the percentages... but statistically speaking most white people are killed by whites.. and most black people are killed by blacks. The issue with the black people being killed by police are when we're talking about unarmed people.. or situations where the person killed didn't "have" to be killed to preserve the life of the officer. Some cases that the movement grabs onto-- aren't as striking as others.

I'm glad to hear you are in a "relatively" safe area but I have to take issue with

If you don't go looking for trouble, you're generally not going to find trouble.

None of those children in Chicago went looking for trouble or children in any city where they are being shot and killed and to the point of unarmed Blacks being killed by police, that too is a false narrative perpetrated by the left. I think any review of all deaths of Blacks by a cop will show the majority of those killed had a weapon which in most cases makes it justifiable. Of course any case where the victim didn't have a weapon must be investigated and cops charged. And we seem to have reached a time when that is almost impossible to get away with.



No matter how any reasonable person looks at it, cops are not out slaughtering un-armed Black men. Have you ever noticed that we hear about, and now with camera's everywhere, we know about every single Black person shot by a cop but never and I mean never hear about a White person being shot by a cop which begs the question, is that done on purpose to make the populace think that there is an epidemic of cops shooting un-armed Black men when the numbers don't back up that claim?

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by smokedog01

I was noting the clear flaw in the logic. Seemed obvious.

No. there is no flaw in the stats. you are just using DA NILE tactics

Originally Posted by smokedog01

When statistics prove that more white people are killed by police people ignore those numbers because black people make up a lower percentage of the population. When you bring up the fact that the same lower percentage of people commit over half of the violent crime you are a racist. Strange how that works. Not quite as strange as Lou picking a handle pronounced "loose bowels". That has to open him up to some very specific screening requirements.

the truth isn't racist. even if you say so

[smokedog01]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

No. there is no flaw in the stats. you are just using DA NILE tactics

the truth isn't racist. even if you say so

The entire point of my post was that it is amusing to watch people use 13% when faced with the fact that more white people are killed by cops but pull the racism card when reminded that the same 13% is responsible for over half the violent crime. There was no other way to interpret what I wrote. HedonistForever understood it immediately. I am not sure how you did not.



If you and Oeb are anything it is consistent.

[Lucas McCain]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

People have this perception that predominantly black, high crime areas are just these war zones where walking to your car will get you shot.

Correct again, Grace. I may neither look the part nor talk the part but all but one of my black friends live in predominantly black neighborhoods in South Dallas. I never get shit from anyone when I visit. Hell, I spent 45 minutes throwing the football around with kids there last week. I had a blast. I even had one nice old lady bring me a slice of apple pie with vanilla ice cream on top for teaching her grandson how to run his routes more precisely. She was acting like I was doing them a favor by slinging passes. Those young kids were doing me the favor by making me feel like a kid again.

I plan on funding a flag football league in their area. Those kids were having a lot of fun. I want to keep it moving forward for them. Unfortunately with this pandemic, I'm going to just buy them computers until we can get the fun going and life gets better for all.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by smokedog01

The entire point of my post was that it is amusing to watch people use 13% when faced with the fact that more white people are killed by cops but pull the racism card when reminded that the same 13% is responsible for over half the violent crime. There was no other way to interpret what I wrote. HedonistForever understood it immediately. I am not sure how you did not.



If you and Oeb are anything it is consistent.

Thank you Hefner wanna be.
Do smoke all you want - and then some.

It is good for You.

[Grace Preston]

Why are folks always pointing to children in Chicago? Hell.. why are we always pointing to Chicago, period? Its not even the worst city in the US per capita... St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Memphis, Dayton, Shreveport, West Palm Beach, DC, Richmond, San Bernandino, North Charleston, Philadelphia, and Buffalo all boast a higher murder rate than Chicago.



But hey-- we wanna talk about innocent kids? Lets talk Aiyana Jones..... her only "crime" was having an uncle that was wanted for questioning in a murder. She was set on fire by a flash bang before being shot by police entering her grandmother's home as she slept on the couch. The officer claimed the grandmother had "grabbed his gun" and caused it to fire-- investigation found this to be false and that the fatal shot was most likely fired from outside the residence.



I said.. you "generally" aren't going to find trouble. Sometimes you're gonna end up in the wrong place at the wrong time.. and its a horrible situation all the way around. But I still stand by the fact that, in general... if you aren't looking for trouble, you aren't going to find it.

[oeb11]

Each person has a different life experience.

And their own reality is Truth.

One caveat - not putting oneself in Harm's Way where trouble lurks is a good idea.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Why are folks always pointing to children in Chicago?



Because "they" are in the news and children in those other terrible violent cities ( thanks for listing them ) are not.



Hell.. why are we always pointing to Chicago, period?


I suspect because it is a 100% Democrat run city with ties to Obama and Rahm Emmanuel.


Its not even the worst city in the US per capita... St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Memphis, Dayton, Shreveport, West Palm Beach, DC, Richmond, San Bernandino, North Charleston, Philadelphia, and Buffalo all boast a higher murder rate than Chicago.



But hey-- we wanna talk about innocent kids? Lets talk Aiyana Jones..... her only "crime" was having an uncle that was wanted for questioning in a murder. She was set on fire by a flash bang before being shot by police entering her grandmother's home as she slept on the couch. The officer claimed the grandmother had "grabbed his gun" and caused it to fire-- investigation found this to be false and that the fatal shot was most likely fired from outside the residence.



Congrats, you found "one"



I said.. you "generally" aren't going to find trouble. Sometimes you're gonna end up in the wrong place at the wrong time.. and its a horrible situation all the way around. But I still stand by the fact that, in general... if you aren't looking for trouble, you aren't going to find it.

That merely belies the fact that the people who "live" in those neighborhoods don't going looking for trouble, it surrounds them and attempting to point out there are many Black neighborhoods that don't have this kind of violence does nothing to diminish the carnage taking place where it happens everyday. That's one of those "look over here" comments.

[Grace Preston]

I LIVE in a black neighborhood that has "that kind of violence". My neighborhood hovers between #3-#6 on the "Worst Neighborhoods in Cincinnati" list every year. But with exceedingly rare exception-- everyone who finds themselves on the wrong end of a violent crime was involved in criminal enterprise in one form or another. Kids walk to the bodega by themselves all the time. Kids play on the sidewalks and the streets all the time. Kids and families go to the neighborhood park all the time. My white butt walks to the bodega all the time.



Gunfire around here is so commonplace that officers will send 3 units for reports of gunfire.. but 11 units for a bag of devils lettuce (no exaggeration, happened the other week on my street and made me late for work-- they blocked my driveway 4 doors down from where the evil devils lettuce was found-- meanwhile the night before.. a report of gunshots sent 3 officers to investigate).

[Grace Preston]

And why.. why do I choose to live here? Simple.


1. I don't feel unsafe in the area. When I was looking-- there were other neighborhoods that I looked at that I was NOT comfortable with.



2. I own my house, free and clear. No mortgage.



3. My house is a nice, older home on a double lot (corner lot as well).


4. This neighborhood will be the next one to begin gentrification. It has spectacular views of the city-- and a large parcel of land just became available right across from the local elementary school. With the Opportunity Zone abatements... I feel in about 5-7 years, this neighborhood will gentrify.. and this property will triple in value-- easily.

[dilbert firestorm]

devils lettuce??? eye looked it up to see what it means. lol!


some lies are hard to get rid of.