But it works I swear!

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by chizzy

Its a simple concept to which people should live by

Job placement should be be based on skill and preformance and merit, not skin color,not gender,not sexual likes or what you want to think you are, period

I wonder who many people who defend these crazy policies would want a surgeon to preform a life threatening operation on them by someone who was hired simply because they are a certain color and ethnic instead of someone who had far more experience and history with that procedure.....

It might be hard to imagine now, but there was a time, not all that long ago, that people of a certain gender or ethnic background wouldn't even get considered for a job literally because of their gender or ethnic background - no matter how qualified they were.

And the job would always go to some dopey male from a more prevalent race, specifically because he was a male from a more prevalent race, no matter his qualifications.

Of course, it can be argued that it's gone too far in the opposite direction in recent years, but DEI arose from these inherent biases - in the form of the Civil Rights Act.

To act like we need to "get back to giving the job to the most qualified person based on merit" is fantastical thinking of a place and time that never really existed in this country. It was never a fair system to begin with.

[Green_Mountain]

Originally Posted by tommy156

It might be hard to imagine now, but there was a time, not all that long ago, that people of a certain gender or ethnic background wouldn't even get considered for a job literally because of their gender or ethnic background - no matter how qualified they were.

And the job would always go to some dopey male from a more prevalent race, specifically because he was a male from a more prevalent race, no matter his qualifications.

Of course, it can be argued that it's gone too far in the opposite direction in recent years, but DEI arose from these inherent biases - in the form of the Civil Rights Act.

To act like we need to "get back to giving the job to the most qualified person based on merit" is fantastical thinking of a place and time that never really existed in this country. It was never a fair system to begin with.

DEI is inherently racist because it supports not hiring the best candidate. It’s asinine to think a more qualified person of one group doesn’t get the opportunity because that person doesn’t have a “favored diverse characteristic” according to DEI.

White people are less than 10% of the global population and I believe 58% of the US population.

If DEI is so great why don’t pro sports teams use those concepts in roster creation? Why isn’t the NBA mandated to be 58% white?

Incredibly stupid argument I typed there but consistent with the equally as stupid DEI practices.

Can’t wait until Pete Hegseth cancels DEI in the DoD assuming his appointment moves forward.

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by Devo

Try being a white guy in his late 50s or 60s in the corporate world, you can't find a job, I finally told my one friend who ISN'T retired to start telling them he was gay, and native american, it would be an in.

He should wear a skirt and stilettos to the next interview.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

He should wear a skirt and stilettos to the next interview.

Hey, it worked for Sam Brinton.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

White people are less than 10% of the global population and I believe 58% of the US population.

Wrong and wrong. White people make 16% of the global population and nearly 62% of U.S.

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbo...ethnic-groups/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race..._United_States

Originally Posted by Green_Mountain

If DEI is so great why don’t pro sports teams use those concepts in roster creation? Why isn’t the NBA mandated to be 58% white?

It was 100% white before they allowed superior athletes to play. The NBA is also a private organization, not a public corporation. Different rules.

[Green_Mountain]

Originally Posted by tommy156

Wrong and wrong. White people make 16% of the global population and nearly 62% of U.S.

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbo...ethnic-groups/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race..._United_States



It was 100% white before they allowed superior athletes to play. The NBA is also a private organization, not a public corporation. Different rules.

Timmy fact check: false.

According to AI which is superior to one off links including woke Wikipedia.

“the percentage of the global population that is white is estimated to be around 16%, with some estimates suggesting it could be as low as 7% or 8%. The exact figure can vary based on definitions of "white" and how different countries classify racial groups”

“According to recent U.S. Census Bureau data, approximately 59.3% of the U.S. population identifies as White alone, non-Hispanic.”

[tommy156]

I provided actual links, not an AI cut & paste from who knows where. Advantage: tommy

[Green_Mountain]

And I’m fine if 100% of any sports league is whatever ethnicity.

However the same should apply for jobs, college entrance, etc. A more qualified person should not be dismissed to make way for a lesser candidate. This is racism and idgaf about the private vs public argument.

Merit and ability should supersede diverse characteristics.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by lustylad

No they're not. The reason you can't and won't explain or defend DEI is obvious - you don't understand it. Not a topic in which you have any insights or expertise to offer.

Fake it til you make it.

There's a good old aussie quote about assumptions. You're neck deep in one.

If you want a DEI workshop, it will cost you. Will need a deposit upfront and some screening info

In all seriousness tho, very entertained watching you guys focus on the classic diversity tropes and exposing a plethora of bias. What GM continues to focus on isn't solidly applied DEI practices. Diverse slates allow for the best qualified to have a seat at the table and win the role on their merit.

Berry used to focus on the same factors. It's the same tired affirmative action trope. That's not what DEI is about unless you're stuck in a very 90's, early aughts box check and quota mentality. You can tell he was never exposed to good DEI principles or just buried his head in the sand.

All the focus is on the diversity, read as AA without any semblance of the equity and inclusion. Those do apply to white people too. Even white men under 40. Vets. Disabled. Women. People of color. People from the North Hills looking for jobs in the South Hills. Foreign Nationals. We could go on. But I feel like it's probably time better spent elsewhere on folks with open minds who aren't trying to score ego points on a hooker board.

[Green_Mountain]

Oh no.

Looks like the FBI closed their DEI office in December.

More closures on the way.

[Devo]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

There's a good old aussie quote about assumptions. You're neck deep in one.

If you want a DEI workshop, it will cost you. Will need a deposit upfront and some screening info

In all seriousness tho, very entertained watching you guys focus on the classic diversity tropes and exposing a plethora of bias. What GM continues to focus on isn't solidly applied DEI practices. Diverse slates allow for the best qualified to have a seat at the table and win the role on their merit.

Berry used to focus on the same factors. It's the same tired affirmative action trope. That's not what DEI is about unless you're stuck in a very 90's, early aughts box check and quota mentality. You can tell he was never exposed to good DEI principles or just buried his head in the sand.

All the focus is on the diversity, read as AA without any semblance of the equity and inclusion. Those do apply to white people too. Even white men under 40. Vets. Disabled. Women. People of color. People from the North Hills looking for jobs in the South Hills. Foreign Nationals. We could go on. But I feel like it's probably time better spent elsewhere on folks with open minds who aren't trying to score ego points on a hooker board.

Well, bye then.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Devo

Well, bye then.

Misreading the message. Watching you boys butcher what DEI is and is really about is highly entertaining. We can MST3K the fuck out of this... and are.

You're focusing on the shiny bauble but not watching how it's being redeployed. And not taking into consideration state compliance requirements beyond the federal.

[Green_Mountain]

With white people only making up 6-7% of the global population I’ll never understand why some think it’s ok to sometimes discriminate and be racist towards Caucasians.

“19 Attorney General’s just sent a letter to Costco warning that DEI policies are illegal when they discriminate based on race.

The 19 state AG’s also demand that Costco communicates if they’ll drop DEI within 30 days or explain why they’re keeping DEI.”

[HDGristle]

Wonder why it wasn't more AG's. Could you share the list of which 19?

[Green_Mountain]

https://x.com/robbystarbuck/status/1884035479823343790