Harvard - Make America Great Again!

[eccieuser9500]

The gulping of the medicine astounds.








Gulp the Kool-aid

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by Lantern2814

Harvard. A bunch of racist, Anti-Semitic, ignorant people. Quit allowing Jewish students to get attacked, stop allowing the leftist cowards to wear masks to avoid accountability, stop being racist in admissions (proven by the courts). So of course the usual suspects cry when these people get held to account. No wonder Ivy League degrees are more and more worthless by the day.

The same could be said of masked federal agents. Police and other federal agents wear masks routinely for safety reasons but also to hinder accountability.

[Yssup Rider]

So Number 1 - Harvard will prevail.

Number 2 - MAGAs obsession with antisemitism on campus is as disingenuous as it could be.

It’s not like yall are rescuing South African farmers or nothing like that…

(Where were y’all before?).

[Lucas McCain]

Step one of another one of Trump's retribution failure attempts has begun. As it continues, it will just become even more comical how dumb dumb thinks he can just change the law and constitution with a damn sharpie.

https://apnews.com/article/harvard-f...7a3c79e90144d6

A federal judge on Friday blocked the Trump administration from cutting off Harvard's enrollment of foreign students, an action the Ivy League school decried as unconstitutional retaliation for defying the White House’s political demands.

In its lawsuit filed earlier Friday in federal court in Boston, Harvard said the government’s action violates the First Amendment and will have an “immediate and devastating effect for Harvard and more than 7,000 visa holders.”

“With the stroke of a pen, the government has sought to erase a quarter of Harvard’s student body, international students who contribute significantly to the University and its mission,” Harvard said in its suit. “Without its international students, Harvard is not Harvard.”

[Tiny]

Excerpts from

Is Trump Trying to Destroy Harvard?
The order against foreign students turns away the world’s brightest.

The Trump Administration has frozen billions in federal grants to Harvard University, threatened its tax-exempt status, and sought to dictate its curriculum and hiring. Now the government seems bent on destroying the school for the offense of fighting back. And for what purpose?

That’s how we read the Department of Homeland Security’s move Thursday to bar foreign students from attending the world-renowned institution. That’s 6,800 students, or a quarter of Harvard’s student body, whose futures are suddenly in disarray. It’s also a short-sighted attack on one of America’s great competitive strengths: Its ability to attract the world’s best and brightest.

...Most of Harvard’s foreign students are enrolled in graduate programs. Many assist with scientific research and teaching undergraduate courses. Driving them out of Harvard will disrupt research projects and might cause some professors in the sciences to leave for other universities. This seems to be a goal of freezing Harvard’s research grants.

Harvard sued on Friday, and a federal judge issued a temporary restraining order against the student ban. The university rightly says the Administration’s actions are “clear retaliation for Harvard exercising its First Amendment rights to reject the government’s demands to control Harvard’s governance, curriculum, and the ‘ideology’ of its faculty and students.”

...This will be terribly damaging to America’s ability to attract talented young people who bring their enterprise and intellectual capital to the U.S. Non-citizens accounted for more than half of doctoral degrees in AI-related fields in 2022. Many have gone to work at U.S. companies like Nvidia or started their own.

The National Foundation for American Policy finds that “immigrants have founded or cofounded nearly two-thirds (65% or 28 of 43) of the top AI companies in the United States, and 70% of full-time graduate students in fields related to artificial intelligence are international students.” Immigrants have also started more than half of America’s privately-held startups valued at $1 billion or more.

Even if it’s modified, Ms. Noem’s order will echo around the world as a signal that the U.S. is no longer open to educate the world’s brightest young people. Foreign students will get the message and take their talents elsewhere. China’s politburo must be laughing at their good luck that their main adversary is hamstringing itself—first with tariffs that make its firms less competitive, and now with an assault on immigrant talent.

Like most of U.S. higher education, Harvard needed a jolt to return to its mission of educating open minds. But that requires reform. The Trump Administration seems to think it needs to destroy Harvard to save it. This is the opposite of making America great.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-t...-noem-b8ac80ed

Excerpts from

Trump’s Harvard assault is closing America off from the world
International students won’t go where they’re not wanted — they’ll build lives and careers elsewhere

...Last week, in the latest escalation of the US president’s fight against Harvard, the Trump administration banned the university from enrolling international students “effective immediately”. The reason? Harvard’s alleged failure to act against antisemitism and the teaching of “woke” ideology. “Let this serve as a warning to all universities and academic institutions across the country,” read the ominous statement from Kristi Noem, the secretary of homeland security.

A warning to do what? Bend the knee to the president obviously. (Harvard hasn’t and the ban has been temporarily blocked in the courts.) But Trump’s move also holds a larger unintended warning about ideas, academic freedom and America’s involvement with the rest of the world.

There’s a certain kind of courage required in packing up your life as a young person and moving to another country. The education you receive is not just of the intellectual variety. You become a hybrid, a person for whom some of your most formative years bear the fingerprints of a culture that is not your own. A person who, regardless of where you ultimately end up, holds an enduring fondness for a place that you chose rather than one you were born in simply as part of the strange genetic lottery.

Like all good relationships, this goes two ways. International students may go home but the Americans they live, study and party with do not. The influence of those different to yourself lingers on both sides, a life-long reminder that more is out there, that ideas flow from everywhere.

Twenty-seven per cent of the student body at Harvard is international. But many other US academic institutions have an even higher share. In 2023-24, there were more than 1.1mn foreign students in the US. To look at this using Trump’s favourite bottom line, that’s an awful lot of money.

Yes, Noem may be concerned about the use of tuition fees to “help pad . . . multibillion-dollar endowments” but you don’t have to be an economist to know that these students are also spending their money elsewhere.Their contribution was estimated at $43bn in the last academic year. Some of this boost to the US economy will last beyond graduation. Many will meet romantic or business partners and remain. But stay or go, the lives they build will all owe something to America, whose soft power only grows as a result.

...The fight in courts over Harvard will run and run. But around the world, a new generation who had been preparing for their great American adventure will be formulating backup plans...

https://www.ft.com/content/4c914787-...9-a45c10044e0f

44.8% of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children. These companies employ 14.8 million people.

If not for immigrants, most or all of whom attended U.S. universities, we wouldn't have the following companies,

Tesla
Google
Intel
Ebay
Yahoo
PayPal
Instagram
WhatsApp
SpaceX
Moderna
Chobani
Qualcomm
Nvidia

[eccieuser9500]

Make America an Outcast. Everyone who voted for Dumpster is an idiot. Likes being one, too.

Every one.

[txdot-guy]

Doesn’t Trump realize that foreign students are technically an export. So are foreign tourists for that matter. Every person that avoids spending money in the United States is a missed opportunity and a decrease of our nation’s exports.


https://archive.ph/PK9FA
International students contributed $44 billion to the U.S. economy in the 2023-2024 school year. Their loss could hurt more than just universities’ bottom line

The more than 1.1 million international students who studied in the United States last year contributed nearly $44 billion to the U.S. economy during the 2023-2024 school year, according to the nonpartisan think tank National Foundation for American Policy — from $10 million in Alaska to more than $6 billion in California — and supported more than 378,000 jobs.

“Students don’t just spend money paying tuition fees,” Nicholas Barr, a professor at the London School of Economics, said in an interview. “They pay rent, they go to restaurants, they travel.”


https://www.fastcompany.com/91341658...g-away-in-2025
Who wants to come to America? More tourists are staying away, spending their money elsewhere in 2025
The United States could lose $8.5 billion from a decline in international travelers. Blame “negative sentiment effects.”

[Iceman]

They were given a visa to attend classes, not to encourage or participate in demonstrations against the USA or its policies. They are guests of the USA. If a guest in your house started acting improperly, wouldn't you ask them to leave?

There were many students, both foreign and domestic whose studies were affected by not being able to get to class or study in spaces that the protesters illegally occupied.

[DayOfTheEagle]

This is the funniest thread I have seen on here.

We have college students acting like college students always have. Nothing new and much is being exaggerated. Some are douchebags that deserve punishment. Most are harmless and probably trying to impress girls and get laid.

Then we have MAGA doing what they always do in swallowing the nonsense rhetoric that Fox and Newsmax tell them to swallow.

Using "Anti-Semitism" as an excuse to weaponize the government against these students and these institutions is downright shameful. Not saying there wasn't any that was inexcusable and generally ignored. But this has been exaggerated like almost nothing else MAGA has used to demonize the people they don't like.

(BTW, everyone in this country has Constitutional Rights, even those here on student Visas)

[eccieuser9500]

Is it true that he's just pissed because the Baron didn't get into Harvard?

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by DayOfTheEagle

This is the funniest thread I have seen on here.

We have college students acting like college students always have. Nothing new and much is being exaggerated. Some are douchebags that deserve punishment. Most are harmless and probably trying to impress girls and get laid.

Then we have MAGA doing what they always do in swallowing the nonsense rhetoric that Fox and Newsmax tell them to swallow.

Using "Anti-Semitism" as an excuse to weaponize the government against these students and these institutions is downright shameful. Not saying there wasn't any that was inexcusable and generally ignored. But this has been exaggerated like almost nothing else MAGA has used to demonize the people they don't like.

(BTW, everyone in this country has Constitutional Rights, even those here on student Visas)

I do agree that there is nothing odd, or new, about college students acting out.
For us that reached adult hood in the 1960’s, it is certainly nothing new.
Many grow out of it when after graduation, the realities of the world catch up.

I have several friends that were part of the Haight/Ashbury scene back then. What my parents called “Hippies”. They were way out there.
Both are retired, one from being in Banking, the other owned a Real Estate company.
I got drafted, so I missed out on the fun.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

I do agree that there is nothing odd, or new, about college students acting out.
For us that reached adult hood in the 1960’s, it is certainly nothing new.
Many grow out of it when after graduation, the realities of the world catch up.

I have several friends that were part of the Haight/Ashbury scene back then. What my parents called “Hippies”. They were way out there.
Both are retired, one from being in Banking, the other owned a Real Estate company.
I got drafted, so I missed out on the fun.

I alone make America great.

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Is it true that he's just pissed because the Baron didn't get into Harvard?

Most say it is a made up story. Harvard could end the speculation by simply answering the question.

https://www.10news.com/news/fact-or-...t-barron-trump

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

Most say it is a made up story. Harvard could end the speculation by simply answering the question.

https://www.10news.com/news/fact-or-...t-barron-trump

Thank you, sir.

[Precious_b]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Stop calling him a Fascist.

Maoist?
Khmer Rouge?

These are noted people who railed against people of higher education.