Israel Bombs Iranian Nuclear Sites!

[Ripmany]

Cool man cool man

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I'm not applauding Trump. I don't think he should have abrogated the nuclear treaty that the Obama administration negotiated with Iran. However, I don't believe Trump's "weakness" is what caused Israel to act -- quite the contrary -- see the red text above.

I agree with you Tiny that Trump should not have backed out of Iran Nuke deal that the Obama Administration and five other countries had with Iran. According to the International Atomic Energy Agency Iran was in compliance with the deal.

Once Trump backed out that left Iran the opportunity to continue the enrichment of Uranium to get an Atomic bomb. There were plenty of restrictions in the Obama/Iran nuke deal that would have prevented Iran from enriching Uranium. If they tried it would not go unnoticed.

https://www.newsweek.com/iran-fails-...-years-2084393

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/fil...%20Section.pdf

[VitaMan]

“Tonight, Israel took unilateral action against Iran. We are not involved in strikes against Iran and our top priority is protecting American forces in the region,” Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a statement released by the White House.

[VitaMan]

Let's face it, Trump is having little success anywhere. Maybe if he tried to work with our allies, instead
of insulting them he would have better results.


But probably not. Look what the results were when he flew off to North Korea in an attempt to get a Nobel peace prize.


Trump had an entire 4 year term to work with Iran and others in the region. No idea why some keep binging up the Obama administration. Trump served after that. To say the Obama administration is causing this is saying it can never be fixed. Trump had 4 years after Obama to fix it....and he didn't.



To be fair the Biden administration did not fix it either. But at least they are not saying things Trumps normally says, such ax "Israel would never have acted unilaterally under the Biden administration".

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

Amazing how a military strike by one of our Allies against a sworn enemy turns into Trump Derangement Rants...

It's unbelievable. Whatever happens, the first instinct of the TDS crowd is - how do I spin this to blame Trump or to avoid giving him any credit or to make him look bad? That instinct overpowers all critical analysis or rational thinking. Nothing else matters.

In the Middle East, there are nuances and complexities everywhere. You would expect anyone who pays careful attention to tread carefully, knowing that appearances and conclusions can shift as quickly as the sands in the Arabian desert. But not the TDS crowd. For them foreign policy is simple. Anywhere, anytime, any region, any country, any crisis - just say it's trump's fault.

[VitaMan]

It is Trumps lack of success. And his demeanor. His bullying of US allies. And his attetmpt at an authoritarian regime.


Trump was even saying Mr. Must has TDS. So much for a TDS crowd.

[Jacky S]

It seems President Trump is the true leader.
He publicly gave Iran 60 days to comply with destroying all of their Nuclear Weapons Grade Material.
Iran did not comply. They believed the US Main Stream Media and the Democrats when they said The President would back down.

He gave Israel the green light. On the 61st day.

That is true Statesmanship. And the mark of a strong Leader.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

disagree with you and Tiny here. the Obama plan was intentionally to allow Iran nuclear weapons. Iran cheated on the agreement...

I wouldn't put it that way, Waco. I'd say the Obama plan (the so-called JCPOA signed in Oct. 2015) just tried to kick the can down the road, delaying Iran's nuclear program until Obama was safely out of office. You know - let the next guy deal with what happens after the various restrictions run out in 6-10 years. Obama responded to criticism of the deal's sunset provisions by saying we can always do the military strike option later if they refuse to negotiate another 10-year deal in 2025. To me, that was a bad argument for a flawed agreement. Everyone knows the longer Israel refrains from taking out Iran's proliferating nuclear facilities, the harder the task becomes.

Originally Posted by Tiny

I believe we were better with the treaty than without it, as Iran was less likely to progress to a bomb.The sanctions and other pressure Trump put on Iran didn’t do a lot of good IMO. So you had Iran making more progress towards developing nuclear weapons than it would have otherwise.

Generally, I share your skepticism when it comes to sanctions. But trump's renewal of the "maximum pressure" campaign against Iran in 2018 did help to choke off the flow of funds to the mullahs and thereby inhibit their ability to stir up trouble using their proxies i.e. Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, Shia allies in Iraq etc.

Then Biden came in and lifted the sanctions in 2021. The results were a disaster. They show why it's impossible to trust the Iranian mullahs. Instead of saying ok thanks, we'll tone it down, they funneled the billions they received from Biden's sanctions relief right back into the hands of their terrorist proxies.

If you really want to assign proximate blame for the Hamas attack on Oct. 7, 2023 you might consider how much additional funding and other support did Hamas receive from Iran after Biden loosened the screws.

[VitaMan]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

He gave Israel the green light.

That is true Statesmanship. And the mark of a strong Leader.

Incorrect. Israel gave itself the green light.

They were worried about Trump making a weak agreement.

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Incorrect. Israel gave itself the green light.

They were worried about Trump making a weak agreement.

That’s a pretty good attempt at gas lighting and lying in true Democrat fashion.
American Voters know the truth.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Incorrect. Israel gave itself the green light.

They were worried about Trump making a weak agreement.

Lol. Show me some evidence that Trump was prepared to accept a "weak" agreement.

It was a diversion when he said the "negotiations" (if you could even call them that) were making good progress. They weren't.

Trump wanted the Iranians to think the Israelis would refrain from attacking as long as they slow-walked the talks in Oman. It worked.

[CPT Savajo]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

I believe things are getting ready to get really bad.

Things are already really bad. Closing down the Straight of Hormuz is the worst thing that could happen out of this that could impact everyone in the USA on the turn of a dime. I predict a new all-time high for the yellow metal next week!

[Unique_Carpenter]

Send Ali Khamenei to Band Camp.
Rip will take care of what's needed.

[VitaMan]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

That’s a pretty good attempt at gas lighting and lying in true Democrat fashion.
American Voters know the truth.

You can't make it more clear to the MAGAs. From the White House itself.
If anyone is lying and trying to distort the facts, it would be you.

Even one of our staunchest allies can't work with Trump.




“Tonight, Israel took unilateral action against Iran. We are not involved in strikes against Iran and our top priority is protecting American forces in the region,” Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a statement released by the White House.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

“Tonight, Israel took unilateral action against Iran. We are not involved in strikes against Iran and our top priority is protecting American forces in the region,” Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a statement released by the White House.

Of course our Secretary of State said that! You don't want us to give Iran a pretext to attack our bases and forces in the region, do you?

Israel would not have launched strikes without US fore-knowledge and implicit consent. I'll leave it for you to parse the meaning of the word "unilateral". But I think Haaretz editor Aluf Benn already explained it fairly well in post #24. Go back and re-read his remarks in full.

"Israel is now relying not on American bombers and American soldiers on the ground but you have coördination, coöperation, intelligence sharing, et cetera."

How do you think Israel is staving off waves of Iranian missile/drone counter-attacks? And it's not only the US who is helping. Some of the Arab and Gulf countries are doubtlessly involved as well. They didn't exactly give Iran permission to launch missiles through their air corridors. Think about it. And stop obsessing on trump.