Cyrus R. Vance, Jr. the WITCH HUNTER

[The_Waco_Kid]

yeah .. Cyrus R. Vance, Jr is after Donnie. he's gonna bring the Big King down. NOT!!!


Vance is basing his case to get Trump's returns on .. wait for it .. media reports. sound familiar? isn't that the same crap Comey, Mueller, Clapper and Brennan to name a few did to "ignite" the nothingburger of the Mueller investigation?


YEP

Prosecutor seeking Trump's taxes cites probe of his business

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/p...171546052.html


LARRY NEUMEISTER

August 3, 2020, 12:15 PM


NEW YORK (AP) — A New York City prosecutor fighting to get President Donald Trump’s tax returns told a judge Monday he was justified in demanding them because of public reports of “extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the Trump Organization.”


Manhattan District Attorney District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance, Jr. is seeking eight years of the Republican president’s personal and corporate tax records, but has disclosed little about what prompted him to request the records, other than part of the investigation related to payoffs to two women to keep them quiet about alleged affairs with Trump.


In a court filing Monday, attorneys for Vance said the president wasn't entitled to know the exact nature of the grand jury investigation.

can't say "Witch Hunt" in court can ya Cyrus?



They noted, though, that at the time the subpoena for the tax filings was issued to Trump's accountants, “there were public allegations of possible criminal activity” at the president's company “dating back over a decade.”


They cited several newspaper articles, including one in which the Washington Post examined allegations that Trump had a practice of sending financial statements to potential business partners and banks that inflated the worth of his projects by claiming they were bigger or more potentially lucrative than they were.


Another news article described congressional testimony by Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, who said the president would overstate the value of his business interests to impress people or lenders, but then deflate the value of assets when trying to reduce his taxes.


The attorneys also cited reports of past investigations by New York regulators into whether the conduct described by Cohen amounted to bank fraud.


Cohen has nothing on Trump. if he did he wouldn't have been busted for his cab business. he's a disgruntled asshole with shit to offer.


“These reports describe transactions involving individual and corporate actors based in New York County, but whose conduct at times extended beyond New York’s borders. This possible criminal activity occurred within the applicable statutes of limitations, particularly if the transactions involved a continuing pattern of conduct,” the lawyers said.


Trump's legal team has argued that the subpoena for his tax filings was issued in bad faith and amounted to harassment of the president.


The Supreme Court last month rejected claims by Trump’s lawyers that the president could not be criminally investigated while he was in office.


Vance's lawyers urged U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero to swiftly reject Trump's further arguments that the subpoenas were improper, saying the baseless claims were threatening the investigation.


“Every day that goes by is another day Plaintiff effectively achieves the ‘temporary absolute immunity’ that was rejected by this Court, the Court of Appeals, and the Supreme Court," Vance's lawyers said.


Marrero has scheduled arguments to be fully submitted by mid-August.


Vance sought the tax records in part for a probe of how Cohen arranged during the 2016 presidential race to keep the porn actress Stormy Daniels and model Karen McDougal from airing claims of extramarital affairs with Trump. Trump has denied the affairs.


if paying hush money to lying sluts to make them go away was a crime all of Washington and Hollyweird would be up shit creak in a leaky canoe named "Titanic"



let's also not forget in the case of Stormy Tits she admitted she willingly gave up dat pussy to Donald. that playboy slut did too. then they both tried to extort Trump over it .. because he was running for president .. so he threw them a few shekels to go away



Cohen is serving the last two years of a three-year prison sentence in home confinement after pleading guilty to campaign finance violations, lying to Congress and tax crimes. He said he plans to publish a book critical of the president before the November election.


If the court orders Trump's accounting firm to give his tax returns to the grand jury, they could be used in any criminal inquiry, but would not be released publicly. Grand jury documents are secret in New York.




even little Ruthie knows this won't fly. she is on record as saying Congress does not have carte blanche to see a private citizen's returns without evidence to warrant it.

[bambino]

They’ll never stop.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

even little Ruthie knows this won't fly. she is on record as saying Congress does not have carte blanche to see a private citizen's returns without evidence to warrant it.

It's going to be interesting to see if Democratic prosecutors in New York state nail Trump to a cross after he leaves office. They should be able to do it if they so choose. You could say that about anyone worth a few billion dollars who's involved in as many businesses as Trump. There are a lot of laws out there that seemingly exist for the sole purpose of giving prosecutors the leverage to incarcerate any businessman they want unless he's willing to cop a plea. And Trump has played faster and looser than most.

Based on material released by the prosecutor's office, he's probably being investigated for various business practices and for bank and insurance fraud specifically. The D.A.'s office cited newspaper reports that Trump may have illegally inflated his net worth and the value of his properties to lenders and insurers. I believe both Manafort and Cohen were convicted of filing false loan applications, and New York prosecutors will probably charge Trump with something similar.

Trump is pretty slick though. Remember how he would convey things to Cohen without really saying them. That's how Stormy Daniels was bought off, with Cohen doing the dirty work. The same thing may happen with the bank and insurance fraud -- maybe a few of Trump's people will take the fall and Trump will get off.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Tiny

It's going to be interesting to see if Democratic prosecutors in New York state nail Trump to a cross after he leaves office. They should be able to do it if they so choose. You could say that about anyone worth a few billion dollars who's involved in as many businesses as Trump. There are a lot of laws out there that seemingly exist for the sole purpose of giving prosecutors the leverage to incarcerate any businessman they want unless he's willing to cop a plea. And Trump has played faster and looser than most.


with or without any evidence to get his returns? you seem to forget they have only news articles to "support" their horseshit? the supreme court has ruled many times over the years that Congress DOES NOT have the right to see any returns without a valid reason. thois case is over before it even gets off the ground


i'll leave it to you to prove me wrong on prior cases. if you can.


Based on material released by the prosecutor's office, he's probably being investigated for various business practices and for bank and insurance fraud specifically. The D.A.'s office cited newspaper reports that Trump may have illegally inflated his net worth and the value of his properties to lenders and insurers. I believe both Manafort and Cohen were convicted of filing false loan applications, and New York prosecutors will probably charge Trump with something similar.


what fraud? giving a high appraisal? you do know that such appraisals are subjective and if the lenders (who typically have their own appraiser do a valuation) was so far below what Trump's appraiser submitted then why did they grant the loan? why didn't the NYC appraiser's office question it?


does Trump have them all on his "payroll"? maybe! butt ya gotta be able to prove it. certainly little Cyrus Vancetard can find someone to back him up .. right?


Trump is pretty slick though. Remember how he would convey things to Cohen without really saying them. That's how Stormy Daniels was bought off, with Cohen doing the dirty work. The same thing may happen with the bank and insurance fraud -- maybe a few of Trump's people will take the fall and Trump will get off.

Stormy Tits fucked Trump willingly like that playboy whore. they both freely say so. there was no campaign fraud despite what little Mikey Jewboi Cohen says while trying get get his ass out of his own trouble.


where are the checks? that fucktard Cohen claims he has them. if he did do you think that "tiny" little turdmonkey would have done time? Nope. neither he nor Manafort got convicted on anything to do with Trump.


i'm disappointed in you "tiny" .. your intellectual dishonesty is showing like Mikey Obama's "tiny" junk.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Stormy Tits fucked Trump willingly like that playboy whore. they both freely say so. there was no campaign fraud despite what little Mikey Jewboi Cohen says while trying get get his ass out of his own trouble.


where are the checks? that fucktard Cohen claims he has them. if he did do you think that "tiny" little turdmonkey would have done time? Nope. neither he nor Manafort got convicted on anything to do with Trump.


i'm disappointed in you "tiny" .. your intellectual dishonesty is showing like Mikey Obama's "tiny" junk.

Nice job you did of reading a bunch of fiction into my post.

I'm just describing the world as it is. You on the other hand have misplaced confidence in the ability of the American justice system to do the right thing, especially when you have a Democratic prosecutor going after a Republican politician, or vice versa.

I have no idea whether Congress or the courts are entitled to his tax returns. Congress, I doubt it. And, while I haven't thought this through, the courts probably shouldn't allow prosecutors a look at his tax returns unless they're relevant to the case and unless a bank or insurance company actually suffered a loss as a result of alleged lies.

I also agree calling the Stormy Daniel payoffs a campaign violation was a laugh. You are wrong in saying that Cohen was not convicted on any charges having to do with Trump. He was. However if you said the only charges Cohen has convicted of having to do with Trump were trumped up, you'd be right.

Still, if Democrat prosecutors apply the same standards to Trump that some Republicans wanted to apply to Hillary and Bill Clinton, Trump may end up in the big house after his term is over. That's not so say he did anything that deserved that. It is to say with a fucked up system like we've got it can happen regardless.

[matchingmole]

Trump sure didn't get rich by being skillful.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by matchingmole

Trump sure didn't get rich by being skillful.

He screwed his bankers, his suppliers, his investors, his customers, and his bondholders. And then he brags about it. Remember how he described his bankruptcies? Well, if not,

"What I've done is I've used, brilliantly, the laws of the country. And not personally, just corporate. And if you look at people like myself that are at the highest levels of business, they use -- many of them have done it, many times," Trump told "ABC World News Tonight" host David Muir.

"But do any average Americans pay the price, though, for that?" Muir responded.

"I'm running a business," Trump maintained. "I'm running a business for myself, for my company, for my employees, and for my family. Hillary wouldn't have any idea how to do that. Don't forget. Somebody has to understand debt. She doesn't understand debt."

In another interview on "CBS This Morning" on Wednesday, Trump continued to discuss the economy. Asked about his penchant for taking on corporate debt -- Turmp once dubbed himself "the king of debt," a name Clinton has re-purposed as an attack -- Trump explained that "if things don't work out, I renegotiate."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/polit...ory/index.html

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Nice job you did of reading a bunch of fiction into my post.

I'm just describing the world as it is. You on the other hand have misplaced confidence in the ability of the American justice system to do the right thing, especially when you have a Democratic prosecutor going after a Republican politician, or vice versa.

I have no idea whether Congress or the courts are entitled to his tax returns. Congress, I doubt it. And, while I haven't thought this through, the courts probably shouldn't allow prosecutors a look at his tax returns unless they're relevant to the case and unless a bank or insurance company actually suffered a loss as a result of alleged lies.

I also agree calling the Stormy Daniel payoffs a campaign violation was a laugh. You are wrong in saying that Cohen was not convicted on any charges having to do with Trump. He was. However if you said the only charges Cohen has convicted of having to do with Trump were trumped up, you'd be right.

Still, if Democrat prosecutors apply the same standards to Trump that some Republicans wanted to apply to Hillary and Bill Clinton, Trump may end up in the big house after his term is over. That's not so say he did anything that deserved that. It is to say with a fucked up system like we've got it can happen regardless.

you didn't read my article. and i made it easy for ya too. you see with "tiny" eyes and mind. open them up

Originally Posted by matchingmole

Trump sure didn't get rich by being skillful.

better to be lucky than skillful

Originally Posted by Tiny

He screwed his bankers, his suppliers, his investors, his customers, and his bondholders. And then he brags about it. Remember how he described his bankruptcies? Well, if not,

"What I've done is I've used, brilliantly, the laws of the country. And not personally, just corporate. And if you look at people like myself that are at the highest levels of business, they use -- many of them have done it, many times," Trump told "ABC World News Tonight" host David Muir.

"But do any average Americans pay the price, though, for that?" Muir responded.

"I'm running a business," Trump maintained. "I'm running a business for myself, for my company, for my employees, and for my family. Hillary wouldn't have any idea how to do that. Don't forget. Somebody has to understand debt. She doesn't understand debt."

In another interview on "CBS This Morning" on Wednesday, Trump continued to discuss the economy. Asked about his penchant for taking on corporate debt -- Turmp once dubbed himself "the king of debt," a name Clinton has re-purposed as an attack -- Trump explained that "if things don't work out, I renegotiate."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/22/polit...ory/index.html

Americans love a winner!



BAHHAAAAAAAAAA

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

Americans love a winner!



BAHHAAAAAAAAAA

If you're an American who owned bonds issued by his casinos you don't love him. Or if you provided materials and services for one of his hotels or real estate developments and he told you to accept 50 cents on the dollar or sue him you don't love him. Neither do the budding real estate entrepreneurs who were ripped off to the tune of $35,000 for "elite" courses from Trump University.

[smokedog01]

Originally Posted by matchingmole

Trump sure didn't get rich by being skillful.

Typical dpst dem lib fake news marxist. Mocking his business acumen without giving the man any credit at all for Trump University, Trump Steaks, Trump Airlines, Trump Casinos, Trump Mortgage, Trump The Game, Trump Vodka, GoTrump or The New Jersey Generals. You are letting your Trump Derangement Syndrome cloud your recollections of his art of the deal.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Tiny

If you're an American who owned bonds issued by his casinos you don't love him. Or if you provided materials and services for one of his hotels or real estate developments and he told you to accept 50 cents on the dollar or sue him you don't love him. Neither do the budding real estate entrepreneurs who were ripped off to the tune of $35,000 for "elite" courses from Trump University.

don't do bonds. i do stocks and investment trusts.



you and moletroll and his silly penny stock graph might have a point if it was only Trump's casinos in Atlantic City that took a dive. all of them crashed and burned. Trump got into that game at the wrong time. over saturated. too many casinos. and he leveraged too much in loans. so he didn't risk much of his own money. so he didn't lose much of his own money. what's wrong with that? oh by the way his Vegas hotel is doing well. tough market that Vegas.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by smokedog01

Typical dpst dem lib fake news marxist. Mocking his business acumen without giving the man any credit at all for Trump University, Trump Steaks, Trump Airlines, Trump Casinos, Trump Mortgage, Trump The Game, Trump Vodka, GoTrump or The New Jersey Generals. You are letting your Trump Derangement Syndrome cloud your recollections of his art of the deal.

Forget the rest, you only need to understand the Trump Casinos to realize he's a genius. Not only did the bond holders and banks shoulder most of the damage, but Trump emerged with a $900,000,000+ carried forward tax loss that he could use to avoid taxes for two decades.

Too bad President Trump served his term before President Biden, instead of vice versa. After President Biden jacks up the national debt by another ten or fifteen trillion or so, we're going to truly need the kind of creative thinking Trump did at Atlantic City to manage (ditch) our national debt.

P.S. You forgot the Trump Shuttle

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Forget the rest, you only need to understand the Trump Casinos to realize he's a genius. Not only did the bond holders and banks shoulder most of the damage, but Trump emerged with a $900,000,000+ carried forward tax loss that he could use to avoid taxes for two decades.

Too bad President Trump served his term before President Biden, instead of vice versa. After President Biden jacks up the national debt by another ten or fifteen trillion or so, we're going to truly need the kind of creative thinking Trump did at Atlantic City to manage (ditch) our national debt.

what do you mean "President Biden"?



who is the reigning president of debt? this faggot who's "manwife" is better hung

[smokedog01]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Forget the rest, you only need to understand the Trump Casinos to realize he's a genius. Not only did the bond holders and banks shoulder most of the damage, but Trump emerged with a $900,000,000+ carried forward tax loss that he could use to avoid taxes for two decades.

Trump filed for bankruptcy three times on his Atlantic City properties alone. Could not make money with a casino. Spin that however you want. You guys sound like the chick with the black eye that tells her family that her husband just gets physical because he loves her too much.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by smokedog01

Trump filed for bankruptcy three times on his Atlantic City properties alone. Could not make money with a casino. Spin that however you want. You guys sound like the chick with the black eye that tells her family that her husband just gets physical because he loves her too much.

you were saying sparky?

Revenue Slides at Some Trump Businesses, but Vegas Tower Brings Windfall

https://www.wsj.com/articles/revenue...all-1498123804


Some businesses owned by Donald Trump saw their revenue decline since his presidential campaign entered full force and he became president, but one operation enjoyed a windfall: a Las Vegas tower that opened nearly 10 years ago, a new disclosure form shows.


Mr. Trump reported receiving about $66 million from the Las Vegas condo and hotel tower bearing his name (GOD EMPEROR TRUMP) from January 2016 through April 2017. That was about $20 million more than he reported receiving from the building a year earlier.