Can utilizing escorts kill the will to even try to pursue a woman the traditional way?

[AdventurousMouse]

Originally Posted by Pangolier

Wrong answer. Pretty women indisputably assign a "market place value" to their own tail... I'd go so far as to say 95% or more of them do.


And they don't want to shack up with 80 year old, gray haired guys, swallowing a bottle of Viagra pills and limping around with canes. They want 20 year old studs with dark hair and sculptured abs / biceps; preferably ones who are also charming smooth talkers. One of the main reasons prostitution exist is that most 20 year old guys are not wealthy, regardless of whether they are ugly or handsome. But many older men do have access to large amounts of money.


As women on average start making more and more of their own money through corporate jobs and higher education, the dating market is beginning to collapse under the weight of "romance capitalism." But for guys who don't mind shagging women over the age of 50; those women can no longer use their appearance to their advantage.


If I go out and meet a woman at a bar, then we head back to the bedroom for a one night stand, I have all the ability to block her the next day, and she could be gone for the rest of my life. That does not require me to pay her to "go away." So no, that perspective does not hold water.

As far as the idea that men who don't mind getting with a woman above the age of 50 should have an easy time getting laid, I'm a 34 year old man who prefers significantly older than me, yet I still have a hard time getting laid.

You're right when you say if you have a 1 night stand with a woman you meet at a bar, you could simply erase her from your life the next day. Yet there are still a number of reasons doing the escort game is different than getting with a civvie.

For one, you get guaranteed sex with an escort. With bar pursuals, there's no telling how many nights you'll waste hunting for tail at bars, only to go home empty-handed.

Furthermore, bar pursuals run the legal risk of mixing alcohol with sex. With an escort, even if exchanging money for sex is technically illegal, you won't face any charges as long as she doesn't turn out to be an undercover cop. With bar pursuals, on the other hand, you have to wonder if she'll come out of the woodwork years later to say she couldn't consent to the sex with you because she was drunk.

Originally Posted by BLM69

The older you get, you have to work harder to get it for free, being picky doesn't help the cause, tricking only raises your minimum standards for regular woman that you're attracted to I have lady friends that I've fucked before but wouldn't do it again, we chat and hang out to kill the free time, even slept next to each other but won't do anything with them anymore.

Tricking does give you confidence to approach regular women, my problem is trying to get women out of my league, I have to stop myself and look in the mirror 😂

Your mileage may vary I suppose. For you, getting with escorts might have given you more confidence to approach civvies. With me, the total opposite ended up happening.

I got with my first escort at 23. I then did a grand total of zero askouts/pursuals from the ages of 24-32 (Although I did some flirting during those ages...I even managed to get free sex from a hottie who worked in my condo building when I was 29 without having to ask her out or pursue her. That was my 1 and only instance of free sex in the past decade)

Only at 33 did I finally begin pursuing/asking out again (with extremely limited luck though; all I've gotten from my new wave of askouts is 1 sexless date)

Since you mentioned leagues/pickiness, there's another thing I should mention. Even though I have no doubt a lot of men use escorts as a loophole to get laid by a woman hotter than him, a majority of the escort sex I've had has been with escorts whose looks are equal to or below mine.

On the other hand, in addition to looking better than me, that employee of my condo building I had free sex with 5 years ago looked better than most escorts I've been with. Go figure.

[GhostRiderYYZ]

PROS & CONS for escorts, civilians & SPAMPS

Civilians might take a while to get to the point of sex, plus their life drama, their ex's etc all are a factor. Not to mention how much $$$ outlay just to get to the point of sex being factored in.

SPAMPS, Think of them like the 7-Eleven / Circle K / Stop & Go of the sex world. Convenient as hell as some are open 24x7 - plus some are fairly close to strip clubs where you spend money on a dancer only to walk out with a hard on. Having an SPAMP no real personal skills aka the GFE is out of the picture. The ones that offer either a Table shower or a shower in general means you can go home without that "freshly fucked" scent about you that every woman can pick up on.

Escorts / Providers - what the names imply. They are companions for a nice dinner, maybe a company function (a lot of these ladies can dress it up to the 9's) but they provide a service. Be it arm candy, or your ultimate sexual fantasy. Everything has a price & if you are willing to pay their price there you go.

[AdventurousMouse]

Originally Posted by GhostRiderYYZ

PROS & CONS for escorts, civilians & SPAMPS

Civilians might take a while to get to the point of sex, plus their life drama, their ex's etc all are a factor. Not to mention how much $$$ outlay just to get to the point of sex being factored in.

SPAMPS, Think of them like the 7-Eleven / Circle K / Stop & Go of the sex world. Convenient as hell as some are open 24x7 - plus some are fairly close to strip clubs where you spend money on a dancer only to walk out with a hard on. Having an SPAMP no real personal skills aka the GFE is out of the picture. The ones that offer either a Table shower or a shower in general means you can go home without that "freshly fucked" scent about you that every woman can pick up on.

Escorts / Providers - what the names imply. They are companions for a nice dinner, maybe a company function (a lot of these ladies can dress it up to the 9's) but they provide a service. Be it arm candy, or your ultimate sexual fantasy. Everything has a price & if you are willing to pay their price there you go.

When I was in my early 20s, I'd meet civvies on a hookup website. They'd then drive to my place for sex without me even having to spend money on a date.

What a different time that was compared to now (and my early 20s were less than 15 years ago)

[GhostRiderYYZ]

Originally Posted by AdventurousMouse

When I was in my early 20s, I'd meet civvies on a hookup website. They'd then drive to my place for sex without me even having to spend money on a date.

What a different time that was compared to now (and my early 20s were less than 15 years ago)

back in the late 80's to about the mid 90's when multi-line dial up bulletin boards were all the rage (most were adult in nature) I found quite a few housewives that just wanted a good time. Some of those boards were swinger oriented and would meet a hotel club to dance, socialize and sometimes secure a room to go fool around.

[EdrienneCole]

It's fascinating, and a bit sad, to be a fly on the wall for these kinds of conversations.

NEVER in my entire life have I known a woman to spout this "he's gotta be 6', make 6 figures, have a 6 pack" garbage. That is red-pill nonsense so many guys have fallen for (tho there are some woman "influencers" that have adopted this position as defense against the hyper-incel misogyny of the Tate/Fuentes types). Sure, I'm sure there may be a few women who talk like that in real life but seriously, I've lived in 5 US states, traveled 28 countries and currently live abroad and have NEVER heard this type of thing muttered by anyone.

Women have indeed decided they are sick of lazy, cruel, neglectful, unaccountable liars, tho. This is much more reflective of the general sentiment regarding civvie dating wherever I happen to look. So I think a lot of you guys shoot yourselves in the foot by projecting this nonsense on to women before you even speak to them.

I've been married 4x and myself fall into the group of not being terribly interested in dating because yes, most of my sexual needs are met by my clients and more importantly, clients have always treated me better than boyfriends or husbands (after the lovebombing phase anyway). The "best foot forward" thing that you guys do on dates is the kind of thing that women want in dating, but somehow always goes away once the relationship becomes more settled. Plus, a client has never asked me to go 50/50 for dinner or coffee, let alone to pay his child support and be the primary/sole breadwinner.

"Dating" you guys is way, WAY better than trying to date a civvie...

[KCFalcon77]

Originally Posted by EdrienneCole

It's fascinating, and a bit sad, to be a fly on the wall for these kinds of conversations.

NEVER in my entire life have I known a woman to spout this "he's gotta be 6', make 6 figures, have a 6 pack" garbage. That is red-pill nonsense so many guys have fallen for (tho there are some woman "influencers" that have adopted this position as defense against the hyper-incel misogyny of the Tate/Fuentes types). Sure, I'm sure there may be a few women who talk like that in real life but seriously, I've lived in 5 US states, traveled 28 countries and currently live abroad and have NEVER heard this type of thing muttered by anyone.

Women have indeed decided they are sick of lazy, cruel, neglectful, unaccountable liars, tho. This is much more reflective of the general sentiment regarding civvie dating wherever I happen to look. So I think a lot of you guys shoot yourselves in the foot by projecting this nonsense on to women before you even speak to them.

I've been married 4x and myself fall into the group of not being terribly interested in dating because yes, most of my sexual needs are met by my clients and more importantly, clients have always treated me better than boyfriends or husbands (after the lovebombing phase anyway). The "best foot forward" thing that you guys do on dates is the kind of thing that women want in dating, but somehow always goes away once the relationship becomes more settled. Plus, a client has never asked me to go 50/50 for dinner or coffee, let alone to pay his child support and be the primary/sole breadwinner.

"Dating" you guys is way, WAY better than trying to date a civvie...

Thanks so much for your response lovely. So true, that we gents (especially the smart ones ) put their best foot forward in this world. I love dinner dates to get comfortable with a new lady, and have enjoyed many as well with long time friends. For me (and my lady friends) this can be the best of both worlds. Real quality attention, (for both parties), and then on to the regular life until the next adventure. Skip the drama, and have some fun. Enjoy!

[AdventurousMouse]

Originally Posted by GhostRiderYYZ

back in the late 80's to about the mid 90's when multi-line dial up bulletin boards were all the rage (most were adult in nature) I found quite a few housewives that just wanted a good time. Some of those boards were swinger oriented and would meet a hotel club to dance, socialize and sometimes secure a room to go fool around.

Being an early 90s baby, I have no idea what you're talking about when you mention these multi-line dial-up bulletin boards. I will say, however, they sound awesome.

Just like I did well with the online hookup market in the early to mid 2010s, I likely would have done well with whatever it is you're talking about from the late 80s to mid 90s (had I been of age back then)

Originally Posted by EdrienneCole

It's fascinating, and a bit sad, to be a fly on the wall for these kinds of conversations.

NEVER in my entire life have I known a woman to spout this "he's gotta be 6', make 6 figures, have a 6 pack" garbage. That is red-pill nonsense so many guys have fallen for (tho there are some woman "influencers" that have adopted this position as defense against the hyper-incel misogyny of the Tate/Fuentes types). Sure, I'm sure there may be a few women who talk like that in real life but seriously, I've lived in 5 US states, traveled 28 countries and currently live abroad and have NEVER heard this type of thing muttered by anyone.

Women have indeed decided they are sick of lazy, cruel, neglectful, unaccountable liars, tho. This is much more reflective of the general sentiment regarding civvie dating wherever I happen to look. So I think a lot of you guys shoot yourselves in the foot by projecting this nonsense on to women before you even speak to them.

I've been married 4x and myself fall into the group of not being terribly interested in dating because yes, most of my sexual needs are met by my clients and more importantly, clients have always treated me better than boyfriends or husbands (after the lovebombing phase anyway). The "best foot forward" thing that you guys do on dates is the kind of thing that women want in dating, but somehow always goes away once the relationship becomes more settled. Plus, a client has never asked me to go 50/50 for dinner or coffee, let alone to pay his child support and be the primary/sole breadwinner.

"Dating" you guys is way, WAY better than trying to date a civvie...

I'm not 100% sure who you're responding to. All I will say is: As the OP of this thread, I'm under no impression my height, looks, or income are to blame for why I have a hard time in the current dating market.

[EdrienneCole]

Originally Posted by KCFalcon77

Skip the drama, and have some fun. Enjoy!

This is entirely my MO... Seeing clients (many turn into friends that I see regularly for years) on dates is like perpetually being on "the best first date of your life". We stay loosely in touch in between dates, wish each other well on holidays/birthdays, sometimes share naughty stories of recent exploits - and leave all the drama of regular civie dating behind!

Originally Posted by AdventurousMouse

I'm not 100% sure who you're responding to. All I will say is: As the OP of this thread, I'm under no impression my height, looks, or income are to blame for why I have a hard time in the current dating market.

Oh, my comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I just read through everything and it made me a bit sad to see the BS red-pill stuff being repeated and some of the other negative perspectives on women and dating - and I'm not even a fan of civie dating myself!

It would take a truly extraordinary man who could offer me what this realm does - almost as much variety of sexual activity as I want, as much companionship as I want while also being able to have as much alone time as I want, someone being mentally present, curious and engaged with MY mind (and body), someone with a vested interest in ME having a good time, no drama/games/misrepresentations/future faking, no jealousy/possessiveness/need to lie or hide, adventure and travel ... AND CASH!!

(Note there's not one word of physical or professional attribute)