Human trafficking? What are they talking about?

[Spoljana]

Originally Posted by SnackyChan

Yea, sure nice backtrack. We all believe you. You just needed "intel" about the spot for safety purposes. Right.

My response was directed at someone else and had nothing to do with you, but apparently you took exception to it as if it was about you. How revealing!

Furthermore, what makes you think "interviewing" providers will get the truth. Are you this dumb? It's pretty astounding that you're here participating in activities with providers, while making the case that many of them are actually trafficked. How exactly do you reconcile the high moral compass you annointed yourself with, while partaking in what you know could be trafficking?

Are you serious? Research my reviews. No studio/AMP’s. I haven’t put forth a higher moral compass; like Anthonylewis, I just call out the bullshit artists. But you do you boo. My head will always be on a swivel, always looking to be safe. And if it’s asking about an operation on my side of town, I certainly will. Bless your heart dude. Enjoy Chuck E Cheese.

[SnackyChan]

Originally Posted by Spoljana

Preach my brother. There’s some idiots here that don’t get it.

"Hell yea bro, high five, we exploit women here!" JFC dude. As soon as I think you couldn't go any lower, you respond.

You know you lost when you have to resort to ad hominem attacks. Take the L and move on. Calling others idiots while wallowing in your depravity and penchant for trafficked women, and trying to drag everyone else down with you is not gonna work.

[SnackyChan]

Originally Posted by Spoljana

Are you serious? Research my reviews. No studio/AMP’s. I haven’t put forth a higher moral compass; like Anthonylewis, I just call out the bullshit artists. But you do you boo. My head will always be on a swivel, always looking to be safe. And if it’s asking about an operation on my side of town, I certainly will. Bless your heart dude. Enjoy Chuck E Cheese.

Check your reading comprehension. You made the case that indy providers are not always indy, and are trafficked. So admit that you are a knowing buyer of trafficked women, and you will continue to do it.

Yes, you did juxtapose a higher moral compass upon yourself above others...

Originally Posted by Spoljana

If it doesn’t feel right, it ain’t right. Most of us have a moral compass.

You ragged me asking "if I interview indy providers", while your method is to just go by your feefees? Incredible.

[Spoljana]

Originally Posted by SnackyChan

Check your reading comprehension. You made the case that indy providers are not always indy, and are trafficked. So admit that you are a knowing buyer of trafficked women, and you will continue to do it.

Yes, you did juxtapose a higher moral compass upon yourself above others...



You ragged me asking "if I interview indy providers", while your method is to just go by your feefees? Incredible.

There are 2 obviously lost dudes on this thread. One was called out for being potential LE and hasn’t been heard from since. The other has a sense no other has. He only pays for sex with good, righteous girls.

I really do wish you well. But your attitude will burn you someday. I don’t go by my, what you call “feefees”. I do research. I send PM’s to mongers who I trust. I avoid known LE hotspots (Tarrant and Collin counties)unless I have either seen the lady before or was seen by someone I trust. No moral high ground here dude. I think internally that they are good, but I am not naive enough think she isn’t managed, nor trafficked. That’s why I stay away from AMP’s and LC Latinas. I don’t shame those who do. They are just wired differently. I’m done arguing with you, in fact, I look foolish arguing with a dude named “Snacky”.

I will bow out of this conversation summarizing some key points:
1. We, myself included, are engaging in illegal activities. If caught, we’d be brought up on felony charges. We are no longer saints nor Boy Scouts.
2. None of us know the full background of the ladies we see. If it makes you feel better thinking she just loves sex and she’s just getting paid doing what she loves, then so be it. I have only seen 1 guy post regrets for seeing a provider that was part of an exposed traffic ring.
3. This is an information board. The more we know, the better decisions we can make. Some mongers I trust more than others.
4. The vast majority of people are sick and tired of political rhetoric. Twitter/X & Facebook are great places to argue with people. Sites like these are to share info for dudes looking to get laid by women who get paid.
5. Everybody has their “schtick”. Anthonylewis trolls guys saying “white girls are trash”. Marvel tries to gaslight everyone saying research , yet provides little substance. I could go on…

I hope 2026 is amazing for all. I’ve got some bucket list items to check off this coming year. Peace out, and best wishes.

[SnackyChan]

Originally Posted by Spoljana

There are 2 obviously lost dudes on this thread. One was called out for being potential LE and hasn’t been heard from since. The other has a sense no other has. He only pays for sex with good, righteous girls.

I really do wish you well. But your attitude will burn you someday. I don’t go by my, what you call “feefees”. I do research. I send PM’s to mongers who I trust. I avoid known LE hotspots (Tarrant and Collin counties)unless I have either seen the lady before or was seen by someone I trust. No moral high ground here dude. I think internally that they are good, but I am not naive enough think she isn’t managed, nor trafficked. That’s why I stay away from AMP’s and LC Latinas. I don’t shame those who do. They are just wired differently. I’m done arguing with you, in fact, I look foolish arguing with a dude named “Snacky”.

I will bow out of this conversation summarizing some key points:
1. We, myself included, are engaging in illegal activities. If caught, we’d be brought up on felony charges. We are no longer saints nor Boy Scouts.
2. None of us know the full background of the ladies we see. If it makes you feel better thinking she just loves sex and she’s just getting paid doing what she loves, then so be it. I have only seen 1 guy post regrets for seeing a provider that was part of an exposed traffic ring.
3. This is an information board. The more we know, the better decisions we can make. Some mongers I trust more than others.
4. The vast majority of people are sick and tired of political rhetoric. Twitter/X & Facebook are great places to argue with people. Sites like these are to share info for dudes looking to get laid by women who get paid.
5. Everybody has their “schtick”. Anthonylewis trolls guys saying “white girls are trash”. Marvel tries to gaslight everyone saying research , yet provides little substance. I could go on…

I hope 2026 is amazing for all. I’ve got some bucket list items to check off this coming year. Peace out, and best wishes.

I can't tell if you're just too dumb to recognize how dumb you are, or if you actually realize you've been checkmated and you're just throwing out a bunch of distrations in attempt to save face.

Interesting that none of what you say in your replies actually address my responses to you. All you do is deflect with non-sequiturs to explain stuff that no one is questioning.

You claimed a higher moral compass... "if it doesn’t feel right, it ain’t right. Most of us have a moral compass". I simply quoted your own words, when you denied it later. You keep flip flopping on this point, but I don't really care. You've already demonstrated your lack of it by admitting you're cool with exploiting women (ref post #45).

Now you're desperately trying to explain how you do your research, avoid AMPs, yada yada. Great, good for you. I've already made those points so seems like we are somewhat in agreement there. We are all here to share information and get intel. It's HOW we use it that's important.

Furthermore, your admission of all this betrays your original stance when you decided it was a good idea to come at me with...

Originally Posted by Spoljana

So…do you interview your providers? Are you assuming every indy lady is, in fact, independent?

If you already know there are steps to take to mitigate the risk of exploitation, why would you act dumb and ask if I interview them? Who knows, maybe I take better steps than you? Maybe I take steps you haven't thought of. Asking if I believe that every lady claiming indy is actually indy is pedantry at its best. Nothing is absolute. People lie. These are not abstruse concepts. With that said, I don't believe any of the ladies I've seen are trafficked. Could I say that to an absolute 100% certainty? No, but again, nothing is absolute, however, I have no evidence or reason to believe any of them were, and overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If I was ever informed that someone I saw WAS actually trafficked, then I would seriously have to reevaluate my MO, and reconsider my future of being in the hobby.

See, that's the difference between you and me. You've admitted that you're cool with exploiting women, and that you're not naive to the fact that a portion of the ladies you see are actually trafficked, and you're fine with that.

[ClevererHandle]

Originally Posted by SnackyChan

Wow. Are you serious? Of course it's trafficking. If you're arguing semantics, at minimum it is endentured servitude, which is still illegal here.

Giving a poor mother in a third-world country an "opportunity" to come to a rich country, to trap them into sexual servitude (debt owed almost always improportional to the cost of smuggling them in) is fucked up, even if the mother agreed to make trip.

JFC. Are you actually trying to make a justification for this kind of exploitation?

Someone somewhere pointed out that words have meaning.


This is a thread on human trafficking , not just any kind of exploitation.


I gave the US government definition of human trafficking and posed 2 scenarios.


Discuss them in terms of force, fraud, or coercion, not how "fucked-up" you believe the scenario to be.


There is probably a huge list of legal precedents to clarify what force, fraud, and coercion mean. It'd be helpful if someone who knew what they're talking about helped out and got us away from the "my opinions are more righteous than yours" stupid-fest this thread has become.


Edit: Happy new year!

[Anthonylewis50]

Teach us how to be you, Snacky. Give us a 10 point list of rules to follow.

[SnackyChan]

Originally Posted by ClevererHandle

Someone somewhere pointed out that words have meaning.


This is a thread on human trafficking , not just any kind of exploitation.


I gave the US government definition of human trafficking and posed 2 scenarios.


Discuss them in terms of force, fraud, or coercion, not how "fucked-up" you believe the scenario to be.


There is probably a huge list of legal precedents to clarify what force, fraud, and coercion mean. It'd be helpful if someone who knew what they're talking about helped out and got us away from the "my opinions are more righteous than yours" stupid-fest this thread has become.


Edit: Happy new year!

I apologize, I read your post wrong. The tone of your message seemed to read something more like "how can these two scenarios be force, fraud, or coercion?" as if you're giving an out for the traffickers if a woman somehow agreed to the conditions. I see what you are asking now, thank you for the clarification.

Although I do feel it's inconsequential to ferret out which of these three those scenarios fit into. The government's definition of human trafficking easily encompasses them. It wouldn't be hard to make the case.

I'd be more interested to know the approach a prosecutor would take to prove force, fraud or coercion in a situation where a husband is handling scheduling and engaged in "online promotion of prostitution" when his wife, the provider, fully consents to what she's doing and has actually solicited the husband for her safety. Consent is key, however, determining the legitimacy of the consent seems to be the dilemma in all these human trafficking situations.

Here is a Virginia Comm Uni research paper on precisely this subject in case you're interested...

https://jayalbanese.com/assets/docs/....164165118.pdf

[SnackyChan]

Originally Posted by Anthonylewis50

Teach us how to be you, Snacky. Give us a 10 point list of rules to follow.

Man, just shut up. The things you say are a bad look for you and the community. Discover some self-awareness my dude.

[Anthonylewis50]

I'm not opposed to learning. Even from people who say not so kind things to me. You care a lot about this issue. Give us a breakdown of the top 5 or 10 things we should look for to ensure we don't see women who are being trafficked. I don't think guys want to see trafficked women. I sure as hell don't. I think it's hard to tell. I'm open to being wrong.

What do we need to look for?

[SnackyChan]

You literally accused me of exploiting women, subsequently implicating yourself as an exploiter of women. Maybe you're proud of that. Whatever the case, I wouldn't be so presumptuous about others if I were you.

Since it seems you're being geniune in reaching out an olive branch, here's one thing to look for. If the girl who answers you in PMs and the girl you are seeing are not the same person, she's likely not indy. There are some easy ways to find out if you are clever.

[Anthonylewis50]

Originally Posted by SnackyChan

You literally accused me of exploiting women, subsequently implicating yourself as an exploiter of women. Maybe you're proud of that. Whatever the case, I wouldn't be so presumptuous about others if I were you.

Since it seems you're being geniune in reaching out an olive branch, here's one thing to look for. If the girl who answers you in PMs and the girl you are seeing are not the same person, she's likely not indy. There are some easy ways to find out if you are clever.

How do you tell whether the person you are talking to in pms is different from the person you meet? As you are aware.. I'm not that bright.

Also, how do you know whether the person answering in pms is being threatened or forced to talk on pms by a manager?

Lastly, there are some very professional and smart independent women who hire personal assistants to manage booking so they can focus on the core business of being amazing courtesans. How do you account for them?

[SnackyChan]

There isn't one right way. How I would approach it is case dependent. One thing you could try is saying something in the PM that the "handler" would not likely pass on to the provider. Then bringing it up later when you see her and scrutinize her reaction.

[Anthonylewis50]

Originally Posted by SnackyChan

There isn't one right way. How I would approach it is case dependent. One thing you could try is saying something in the PM that the "handler" would not likely pass on to the provider. Then bringing it up later when you see her and scrutinize her reaction.

Yeah I get it ... Like say BANANAS in the pm randomly, and then when you are talking to the lady in person say (jokingly), do you remember that pm I sent about bananas? That makes complete sense.

But my dear snacky you haven't addressed a circumstance where a lady is being forced to do the pms herself. She might have to meet a quota of clients every week while the manager sits back and relaxes. How do you deal with her? She's managing the account but the pimp is forcing her to do so at knife point.

Secondly, there are independent ladies. Truly independent ladies who hire assistants. If I say BANANAS to the assistant she has no reason to pass it on to the lady. How do we address that?

[SnackyChan]

Dude, we could play your "but what if" game for days. There is not an exact science here. I can't teach people how to be perceptive.

Of course finding out that the lady managing her own forum accounts is not full proof. I simply mentioned that as one point of interest. Another one would be finding out what other providers she associates with. You compile intel and if there are weak points, you inquire further on that aspect.

And sure, indy ladies COULD have hired an assistant doing her bookings. Again, this is just one point of interest. Maybe you could befriend the booker and have access to a treasure trove of info. As far as the lady goes, if your conscience tells you she could be a trafficking victim, don't see her. That's how you address that.