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After the hiring spree that ICE and the Border Patrol has undertaken recently I’m curious how much actual training and experience these agents undergo before they are released on the public?
... Hmmmm... You'd think that the lads here would WAIT
until ALL the facts were in - BEFORE placing blame.
... Hmmmm... or maybe not...
#### Salty
yup should wait
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Originally Posted by haskellham
I held off judgment until I saw multiple vids and multiple angles. The vid looks very bad for the shooter, if you watch the full before video and aftermath you'll hear from her wife (who's covered in her partner's blood) that they stopped by to video record ICE action, and when ICE swarmed they got scared and wanted to drive away but were fatally shot instead. There's also a slo-mo video that shows the wheels of the car were already turned away from the foremost ICE officer before he unholstered his weapon, and that he opened fire when he was already outside the driving path of the vehicle. The shooter also just casually strolls away unfazed after the shooting. Cold blooded, but I guess that's why they're called ICE.
Used to be it's always California that has no respect for authority and Fucks Around and Finds Out.
Now it's Minnesota.
That woman drove forward barreling toward an ICE agent.
The shooting was justified....
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Originally Posted by Salty Again
... Hmmmm... You'd think that the lads here would WAIT
until ALL the facts were in - BEFORE placing blame.
... Hmmmm... or maybe not...
#### Salty
Right. Meaning no one should have been saying something like the statement highlighted in RED above? That they shouldn't just parrot the words of that inept cunt Kristi Noem?
I think enough of the "FACTS" are in now to say that any reasonable person would conclude that this shooting was NOT justified.
That video is fucking chilling. If that dude was in any danger...and it does not really seem that he was...he placed himself there. This woman was not part of the operation. She just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. She probably panicked a little, got confused. Should not have moved her vehicle, but then again...she had panicked a little.
And then that fucker shot her directly in the face at virtually point blank range.
Right. Meaning no one should have been saying something like the statement highlighted in RED above? That they shouldn't just parrot the words of that inept cunt Kristi Noem?
I think enough of the "FACTS" are in now to say that any reasonable person would conclude that this shooting was NOT justified.
That video is fucking chilling. If that dude was in any danger...and it does not really seem that he was...he placed himself there. This woman was not part of the operation. She just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. She probably panicked a little, got confused. Should not have moved her vehicle, but then again...she had panicked a little.
And then that fucker shot her directly in the face at virtually point blank range.
She fucked up a little, no doubt.
She did not deserve to die for this.
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the windshield was hit head on, they not showing part when the shot was made. Only after
the windshield was hit head on, they not showing part when the shot was made. Only after
its looking more she dead as she asked
Look at the video again. Though the angle is from behind, it shows that he fired the first shot into the corner of the windshield as he stood at the corner of the vehicle while it was turning away from him. It was not traveling "head on" towards him. It was actively turning away. He still chose to fire.
Look at the video again. Though the angle is from behind, it shows that he fired the first shot into the corner of the windshield as he stood at the corner of the vehicle while it was turning away from him. It was not traveling "head on" towards him. It was actively turning away. He still chose to fire.
Right. Meaning no one should have been saying something like the statement highlighted in RED above? That they shouldn't just parrot the words of that inept cunt Kristi Noem?
I think enough of the "FACTS" are in now to say that any reasonable person would conclude that this shooting was NOT justified.
That video is fucking chilling. If that dude was in any danger...and it does not really seem that he was...he placed himself there. This woman was not part of the operation. She just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. She probably panicked a little, got confused. Should not have moved her vehicle, but then again...she had panicked a little.
And then that fucker shot her directly in the face at virtually point blank range.
She fucked up a little, no doubt.
She did not deserve to die for this.
.
fucked up a little? she was posing as an "observer" but was actually impeding ice operations. why was her car sideways in the street? blocking a vehicle. she was there on purpose being some sort of crusader against ice which is a crime to impede law enforcement.
the video shows the agent was in front of the car when she tried to flee. he moved to the side then fired. this nonsense she was an innocent bystander like that dork mayor claims is bullshit. "legal observer" is not a license to impede law enforcement.
it's interesting you watch the videos and see an innocent bystander and i see someone impeding law enforcement.
you can read the soppy bullshit the media is spewing but i'll save you the bother ..
"Severalstate leaders said that Good was at the scene of an ICE raid as a legal observer, that is, as a volunteer who monitors and documents federal law enforcement actions in the city. The Minneapolis City Council described Good as a resident who was out “caring for her neighbors” when she was killed."
fucked up a little? she was posing as an "observer" but was actually impeding ice operations. why was her car sideways in the street? blocking a vehicle. she was there on purpose being some sort of crusader against ice which is a crime to impede law enforcement.
Tell me how this justifies her being shot.
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Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
the video shows the agent was in front of the car when she tried to flee. he moved to the side then fired. this nonsense she was an innocent bystander like that dork mayor claims is bullshit. "legal observer" is not a license to impede law enforcement.
He started out by PLACING himself in front of the vehicle. NO competent LE officer would do this except in an extreme circumstance. She then turns her wheel to the Right as she begins to move forward, pulling the vehicle away from him. He was in no imminent danger that he could not avoid. And he had FUCKING ZERO justification to fire into the side of the vehicle. Federal guidelines say there is no justification to use deadly force against a driver of a vehicle unless the driver of a vehicle poses an imminent threat of deadly force beyond the car itself.
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Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
it's interesting you watch the videos and see an innocent bystander and i see someone impeding law enforcement.
Not one bit. You support Trump and his puppets like Noem unquestioningly.
But that point doesn't really matter.
"Impeding law enforcement" does not justify use of deadly force in any but the most extreme circumstances. This was not one of them.
Nor does "fleeing the scene" if she was attempting to do that.
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Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
not exactly the innocent bystander yeah?
Again, you proved my initial assumption incorrect.
And again, it doesn't matter.
This Agent had no justification to use deadly force.
there is new video out just today by FOX News and it's from the ice agent's camera (no body cam his phone) and it shows his view of what happened and it shows two things .. one is these people were indeed harassing the agents and had been for some time. in fact the woman's car had blocked the road intentionally for almost 4 minutes. FOX hasn't posted it yet but you can bet i'll post it.
the other thing it shows is both the woman and her wife actively harassing the agents and it shows the agent apparently being struck by the car as the woman tries to flee.
no innocent bystander. she was part of some leftist organization that actively attempts to impede law enforcement.
can't wait for the reaction by our valued posters when this video drops online and gets posted here.
He started out by PLACING himself in front of the vehicle. NO competent LE officer would do this except in an extreme circumstance. She then turns her wheel to the Right as she begins to move forward, pulling the vehicle away from him. He was in no imminent danger that he could not avoid. And he had FUCKING ZERO justification to fire into the side of the vehicle. Federal guidelines say there is no justification to use deadly force against a driver of a vehicle unless the driver of a vehicle poses an imminent threat of deadly force beyond the car itself.
Not one bit. You support Trump and his puppets like Noem unquestioningly.
But that point doesn't really matter.
"Impeding law enforcement" does not justify use of deadly force in any but the most extreme circumstances. This was not one of them.
Nor does "fleeing the scene" if she was attempting to do that.
Again, you proved my initial assumption incorrect.
And again, it doesn't matter.
This Agent had no justification to use deadly force.
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i have yet to see any law enforcement (retired or not) saying the agent was wrong to be in front of a vehicle while they were attempting to detain this woman.
he didn't fire into the side. he shot into the front of the window. the bullet hole is clearly shown in the lower right of the windshield.
I have no real respect for these ICE agents because I am convinced you have to be a retarded trigger happy goon to want that job. Regardless, they are law enforcement and for that stupid passenger and the driver to act as if they were just some average Joe's to blow off was foolish. That idiot passenger only escalated the situation by getting out of the car to talk shit. I am not saying that lady deserved to be shot for being foolish. What I am saying is that when a trigger happy idiot has a gun and he's probably annoyed because of you and the obnoxious big mouth company you keep, well....ummm... shit happens
Again, I do not believe this lady should have been shot but when you look for trouble (IMO they were), sometimes you find a lot more than you bargained for and yes, my sympathy for this lady has greatly diminished since I found out she was a trouble maker.
I have no real respect for these ICE agents because I am convinced you have to be a retarded trigger happy goon to want that job. Regardless, they are law enforcement and for that stupid passenger and the driver to act as if they were just some average Joe's to blow off was foolish. That idiot passenger only escalated the situation by getting out of the car to talk shit. I am not saying that lady deserved to be shot for being foolish. What I am saying is that when a trigger happy idiot has a gun and he's probably annoyed because of you and the obnoxious big mouth company you keep, well....ummm... shit happens
Again, I do not believe this lady should have been shot but when you look for trouble (IMO they were), sometimes you find a lot more than you bargained for and yes, my sympathy for this lady has greatly diminished since I found out she was a trouble maker.
sounds like you've also seen the new video.
the videos show the agent was struck by the car and both women were mouthing off
i have yet to see any law enforcement (retired or not) saying the agent was wrong to be in front of a vehicle while they were attempting to detain this woman.
Bullshit. There has been no shortage of pundits and experts weighing in. On both sides. Not worth posting any of it. They all want their 15 minutes of fame and skew their opinions to their audience.
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Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid
he didn't fire into the side. he shot into the front of the window. the bullet hole is clearly shown in the lower right of the windshield.
You need to watch again. Three shots. The first through the front, like you say. The next two through the side window.
This is stupid. No one reads this subforum. We only came here because a Mod moved these threads. No one is going to change anyone's mind.
I'm out.
My last words on this: Trump...and his puppet Noem...are putting these agents and the public at risk with these operations. They are being conducted by poorly trained, poorly vetted agents who are given stressful, controversial missions that are designed to score points with MAGA and inflame the Left. This is a fucking recipe for disaster. It's going to get worse. And MAGA voted for this and supports it fully. You make yourselves look far worse than we ever could by supporting this.
I have no real respect for these ICE agents because I am convinced you have to be a retarded trigger happy goon to want that job. Regardless, they are law enforcement and for that stupid passenger and the driver to act as if they were just some average Joe's to blow off was foolish. That idiot passenger only escalated the situation by getting out of the car to talk shit. I am not saying that lady deserved to be shot for being foolish. What I am saying is that when a trigger happy idiot has a gun and he's probably annoyed because of you and the obnoxious big mouth company you keep, well....ummm... shit happens
Again, I do not believe this lady should have been shot but when you look for trouble (IMO they were), sometimes you find a lot more than you bargained for and yes, my sympathy for this lady has greatly diminished since I found out she was a trouble maker.
"they didn’t leak it to make the shooter look innocent, but to make the victim look guilty. not guilty of a crime. guilty of having a visibly queer wife. guilty of liberalism. guilty of opposing the regime. they don’t seek to exonerate themselves, only to demonstrate who deserves to die."
I wonder when it will be those who think ICE agents are "retarded trigger happy goons"
