ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by yeahsurewhatev

Gotta wonder why you throw up "arguments" then have absolutely no ability to respond to any reasoned challenge. None. In fact, you can't seem to make it through a complete sentence. I'm sorry, honey, that has to be hard.

A reasoned challenge? Is that what you call it when you dismiss the content of videos out of hand because they're on websites you don't like? Not to mention the fact that the Star Tribune is rated neutral to left leaning by multiple websites that track that kind of thing. That's why I posted multiple sources of varying political stripes that all show the same events.

You've lost the plot, Bub.


PS. Seems you're thirst for knowledge has been slaked.

[yeahsurewhatev]

Originally Posted by Ducbutter

I post here when and how I see fit. If you don't like that, I don't really care. Respond, don't respond, Makes no difference to me.
I owe you nothing, but I'll indulge you. My position on the shooting hews closest to Vita's in the thread he started in the political forum. Not exactly, but there's not a lot to quibble with there.
I posted those links for multiple reasons but the fact that you and Siddartha don't get the irony of those clowns in Minnesota setting up check points to control who enters their neighborhood while attacking ICE for doing that on a national level is...illuminating.

You want to draw an equivalence between the neighborhood groups in Minnesota and ICE.

First, the problems ICE are causing are not on a national level but on a local level. To say they are merely "control[ing] who enters" is a laughable fiction. In Minnesota, as they did in Chicago and LA, they are invading neighborhoods, attacking people in their cars and forcing their way into people's homes and dragging them out (in both these cases taking their assaults to the level of shooting people), and shipping people off to Fucking Texas! all in violation of their basic constitutional rights.
The videos in your links show people trying to protect their neighborhoods from ICE. To say that these Minnesotans are perpetrating atrocities on par with ICE is beyond ludicrous.

Originally Posted by Ducbutter

A reasoned challenge? Is that what you call it when you dismiss the content of videos out of hand because they're on websites you don't like? Not to mention the fact that the Star Tribune is rated neutral to left leaning by multiple websites that track that kind of thing. That's why I posted multiple sources of varying political stripes that all show the same events.

You've lost the plot, Bub.


PS. Seems you're thirst for knowledge has been slaked.

In the case of the two videos, I did not challenge the sources but the content of the videos and the commentary on them. (I did challenge citing two sources, when one already contained both videos, as a way to make it seem you had more "evidence" than you did.) I did not challenge the Star Tribune as a source; I challenged DHS.

I can't tell whether you are merely insistent on misrepresenting what I post or if you are incapable of understanding it. No matter. Responding to you is clearly not worth my time.

[Ducbutter]

No, what you actually wrote was this, "It's cute that you believe those sources." You added that you don't trust DHS in a separate post about an injured child. Not the same.

Originally Posted by yeahsurewhatev

Responding to you is clearly not worth my time.

Well, bye then.

[Mort Watt]

Originally Posted by Ducbutter

I post here when and how I see fit. If you don't like that, I don't really care. Respond, don't respond, Makes no difference to me.
I owe you nothing, but I'll indulge you. My position on the shooting hews closest to Vita's in the thread he started in the political forum. Not exactly, but there's not a lot to quibble with there.
I posted those links for multiple reasons but the fact that you and Siddartha don't get the irony of those clowns in Minnesota setting up check points to control who enters their neighborhood while attacking ICE for doing that on a national level is...illuminating.

Yeah, I think we are both done with each other in terms of trying to "discuss."

You deflect by referencing to another poster ...then to Hesse....then exaggerate the actions of some pissed off "clowns."

There is no irony here. And maintaining that you don't "care" while you respond to every person who calls you out is duplicitous.

Literally.

What IS this thing with you repeatedly posting things like "goodbye" and "bye then" in response to people who disagree with you? The first time, I thought you were bowing out of the thread. Unfortunately not the case. It seems it is little more than an ineffective playground insult.

Regardless....if you don't want to take a real stand here, that's fine.

That is its own stance.

As Neal Peart would say (he ain't no Hesse, sorry)...if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. And now we know more than we did about you.

For me....at least these protesters are doing something.

Congress isn't.

The courts are almost meaningless.

People are being shot, beaten, teargassed, and killed.

And this country was literally FOUNDED by protesters.

To everyone that criticizes them, I say "what have you done?" Other than make a post on a hooker board that was read by 20-30 people....

.

[Salty Again]

... Crikey! ... More insults to the "Hooker board" ... How sad. ...

Can we get back to the issue at hand? ... The ICE shooting over
Minnesota-way would have been prevented IF the girl would have
just complied with the lawful orders and NOT escalated the situation.

And she's still be alive today.

... Them's the FACTS, mates...

#### Salty

[Mort Watt]

How is repeating the same MAGA-scripted lies getting "back to the issue"?

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[elghund]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Crikey! ... More insults to the "Hooker board" ... How sad. ...

Can we get back to the issue at hand? ... The ICE shooting over
Minnesota-way would have been prevented IF the girl would have
just complied with the lawful orders and NOT escalated the situation.

And she's still be alive today.

... Them's the FACTS, mates...

#### Salty

The ICE shooting would have been avoided if the officer used his training and didn’t panic under pressure, and endanger everyone in the vicinity, including fellow officers.

Unless ICE training now includes shooting American citizens.

elg….

[Ducbutter]

Originally Posted by Mort Watt

Yeah, I think we are both done with each other in terms of trying to "discuss."

You deflect by referencing to another poster ...then to Hesse....then exaggerate the actions of some pissed off "clowns."

There is no irony here. And maintaining that you don't "care" while you respond to every person who calls you out is duplicitous.

Literally.

What IS this thing with you repeatedly posting things like "goodbye" and "bye then" in response to people who disagree with you? The first time, I thought you were bowing out of the thread. Unfortunately not the case. It seems it is little more than an ineffective playground insult.

Regardless....if you don't want to take a real stand here, that's fine.

That is its own stance.

As Neal Peart would say (he ain't no Hesse, sorry)...if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. And now we know more than we did about you.

For me....at least these protesters are doing something.

Congress isn't.

The courts are almost meaningless.

People are being shot, beaten, teargassed, and killed.

And this country was literally FOUNDED by protesters.

To everyone that criticizes them, I say "what have you done?" Other than make a post on a hooker board that was read by 20-30 people....

.

Blah blah blah.
The ignore feature is your friend Rooster.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by elghund

The ICE shooting would have been avoided if the officer used his training and didn’t panic under pressure, and endanger everyone in the vicinity, including fellow officers.

Unless ICE training now includes shooting American citizens.

elg….

Seems to be. Another shooting just recently.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by elghund

The ICE shooting would have been avoided if the officer used his training and didn’t panic under pressure, and endanger everyone in the vicinity, including fellow officers.

Unless ICE training now includes shooting American citizens.

elg….

this wouldn't have happened if the Democrats weren't actively encouraging people to interfere with ICE and allowing local police to support this effort. if a cop had been there he would have ordered her to move her vehicle. then arrested her if she didn't.



ICE isn't supposed to be doing local law enforcement that's what local law enforcement is for.

[Salty Again]

... But local law-enforcements don't wanna do a thing in Minnesota.
Held hostage by the crooked and cheating Politicians who scammed
the state out of Billions... $$$$

Who use their-own citizenry to attack and obstruct ICE Agents.

#### Salty

[elghund]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

ICE isn't supposed to be doing local law enforcement that's what local law enforcement is for.

Exactly. Case closed.

elg…..

[RX792P]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... But local law-enforcements don't wanna do a thing in Minnesota.
Held hostage by the crooked and cheating Politicians who scammed
the state out of Billions... $$$$

Who use their-own citizenry to attack and obstruct ICE Agents.

#### Salty

Local law enforcement don't wanna do a thing?

Last week, the FBI informed Minnesota’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension that it would take sole control of the investigation, excluding state authorities from joint oversight.

Held hostage? By whom?
And, according to White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Smith

Local and state police have been ordered to stand down and surrender.

Per two sources:
FBI opened an investigation into Renee Good's shooting, then closed the investigation without explanation.

Not to worry, DOJ opened an investigation...not into Renee Good's shooting, but into the possibility that Becca Good was “assaulting, resisting, or impeding federal officers”

[Yssup Rider]

Blimey!